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From: Neeum Zawan
Subject: Germ Theory Denialism
Date: 15 Dec 2010 20:52:46
Message: <8762uu8oxo.fsf@fester.com>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyodvwxe4mE

I'm curious about your views regarding the video. Not the topic - just
the video. As in who the target audience would be, if it's made well,
etc.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Germ Theory Denialism
Date: 16 Dec 2010 02:59:52
Message: <4d09c6f8@news.povray.org>
Neeum Zawan <fee### [at] festercom> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyodvwxe4mE

> I'm curious about your views regarding the video. Not the topic - just
> the video. As in who the target audience would be, if it's made well,
> etc.  

  Unless you are the creator of the video (are you?) and are interested in
how you could improve it, I honestly can't understand why you are asking
that. The topic is much more interesting than the technical details on how
the video is made and its presentation, and could spawn some interesting
discussion (not about whether the germ theory is correct or not, but about
the phenomenon of denialism, which is an interesting psychological phenomenon
in the modern world).

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Germ Theory Denialism
Date: 16 Dec 2010 04:05:08
Message: <4d09d644@news.povray.org>
On 16/12/2010 1:52 AM, Neeum Zawan wrote:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyodvwxe4mE
>
> I'm curious about your views regarding the video. Not the topic - just
> the video. As in who the target audience would be, if it's made well,
> etc.

Made by: Powerpoint, (death by).

Audience: Fruit loops and the simple minded.


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     Stephen


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Germ Theory Denialism
Date: 16 Dec 2010 04:50:43
Message: <4d09e0f3$1@news.povray.org>
Am 16.12.2010 02:52, schrieb Neeum Zawan:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyodvwxe4mE
>
> I'm curious about your views regarding the video. Not the topic - just
> the video. As in who the target audience would be, if it's made well,
> etc.

Too much on-screen text, cartoons etc. that don't directly relate to the 
spoken text, and therefore rather distract from it.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Germ Theory Denialism
Date: 16 Dec 2010 11:12:26
Message: <4d0a3a6a@news.povray.org>
Neeum Zawan wrote:
> I'm curious about your views regarding the video. Not the topic - just

Needs more professional voice-over, as well as more practice, to be a 
professional-level video.  It *is* unclear who the audience is, or what the 
point is besides "how to identify a germ theory denier", which could have 
been covered in 1/5th the time.

I'm guessing you want to make similar videos and you're looking to improve 
your technique?

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Serving Suggestion:
     "Don't serve this any more. It's awful."


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Germ Theory Denialism
Date: 16 Dec 2010 12:09:30
Message: <4d0a47ca@news.povray.org>
On 16/12/2010 4:12 PM, Darren New wrote:
> Needs more professional voice-over,

I thought that the voice was fine.

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     Stephen


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Germ Theory Denialism
Date: 16 Dec 2010 12:35:46
Message: <4d0a4df2$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> On 16/12/2010 4:12 PM, Darren New wrote:
>> Needs more professional voice-over,
> 
> I thought that the voice was fine.

Well, the recording itself could be better. Less gasping breathing, don't 
overload the microphone, etc. It wasn't the voice so much as the fact that 
he bobbled a few sentences that if it were a professional video would have 
been re-recorded.  The voice wasn't unpleasant. The performance was 
excellent for a youtube video, but wouldn't stand for (say) a television 
documentary.

Bobbled at 3m04s, bad breath break at 3m24s, bobbled at 3m37s, etc. 
Something that you'd certainly never worry about if you were listening to 
someone live (or free). Basically, he's trying to read and perform at the 
same time, not always reading far enough ahead to know where the "verbal 
commas" go, which professionals get around by only recording a handful of 
sentences at a time.

Since I don't know why Neeum is asking, I'm pointing out trivial stuff as 
well as any of the bigger things I notice.

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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Serving Suggestion:
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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Germ Theory Denialism
Date: 16 Dec 2010 14:45:59
Message: <4d0a6c77$1@news.povray.org>
On 16/12/2010 5:35 PM, Darren New wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>> On 16/12/2010 4:12 PM, Darren New wrote:
>>> Needs more professional voice-over,
>>
>> I thought that the voice was fine.
>
> Well, the recording itself could be better. Less gasping breathing,
> don't overload the microphone, etc. It wasn't the voice so much as the
> fact that he bobbled a few sentences that if it were a professional
> video would have been re-recorded. The voice wasn't unpleasant. The
> performance was excellent for a youtube video, but wouldn't stand for
> (say) a television documentary.
>
> Bobbled at 3m04s, bad breath break at 3m24s, bobbled at 3m37s, etc.
> Something that you'd certainly never worry about if you were listening
> to someone live (or free). Basically, he's trying to read and perform at
> the same time, not always reading far enough ahead to know where the
> "verbal commas" go, which professionals get around by only recording a
> handful of sentences at a time.
>
> Since I don't know why Neeum is asking, I'm pointing out trivial stuff
> as well as any of the bigger things I notice.
>

I liked his tone and his accent.
I did not listen to the content.


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     Stephen


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From: Neeum Zawan
Subject: Re: Germ Theory Denialism
Date: 16 Dec 2010 15:11:21
Message: <871v5h8onf.fsf@fester.com>
Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> writes:

>   Unless you are the creator of the video (are you?) and are interested in

Heck, no. I think it's a crappy video (and not in terms of technical
aspects). 

> how you could improve it, I honestly can't understand why you are asking
> that. The topic is much more interesting than the technical details on how

I didn't want to bias the discussion, so I was hoping to get everyone's
thoughts. But it seems I didn't phrase it well enough.

Essentially a friend and I were arguing about the video. My contention
was that the video was patronizing, and for that and perhaps other
reasons, was preaching to the choir. I think if the goal was to target
germ denialists, or even people part way there, it would fail as
well. If I were a germ denialist, I would have stopped watching soon
into the video.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Germ Theory Denialism
Date: 16 Dec 2010 15:46:13
Message: <4d0a7a95@news.povray.org>
Neeum Zawan wrote:
> was that the video was patronizing, 

I think it was patronizing to denialists, but I don't think denialists are 
its target. It looks like "yes, there really are people that dense, and 
they're not all obviously nut-jobs", followed by "here's how you spot a 
denialist" more than anything.

-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Serving Suggestion:
     "Don't serve this any more. It's awful."


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