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On 6/12/2010 11:12 AM, clipka wrote:
> Am 12.06.2010 13:11, schrieb Stephen:
>
>>> I don't know. Maybe it's just because it's Saturday morning and *yet
>>> again* I'm sitting all alone in my bedroom feeling bored and lonely,
>>> with nowhere to go and nobody to talk to. Perhaps I just need to go
>>> listen to some more Neil Sekada or something...
>>
>> My sympathies but Neil Sedaka?
>> Listen to something life enhancing like bagpipe music. :-P
>
> Yeah, I second this - punish yourself for your bad mood :-P
LOL...
--
~Mike
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On 6/12/2010 12:38 PM, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
> From what I've seen, *not* being a loser gets you way, way more
> attention. Of a more satisfying kind. (Although not _all_ necessarily
> good...)
>
Loser is a mindset. Drop that mindset. ;)
(Yeah, I know .. easier said than done, it takes time to break a habit,
but it's a habit worth breaking...)
--
~Mike
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On 6/12/2010 3:47 PM, Sabrina Kilian wrote:
>
> Not all cats are elitist fuzz-and-claws. Some fuss when they are more
> than an arms length away from someone. Mine yowls when he has to use his
> litter in the middle of the night, since it means leaving the room.
> Howls on the way out and back, just to wake me up and let me know that I
> am missed. Could do without that, actually.
They also have the advantage of being relatively low maintenance. My one
cat definitely does not look down upon me. He follows me everywhere and
curls up on my pillow between my wife and I when we sleep, purring
loudly ...
--
~Mike
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>> perhaps you need a baby. More than a woman, having to feed a baby
>> should boost
>> your morale...
>
> Uh... for the sake of the baby, maybe he should start with a pet >_<
Given my history with pets... both of these suggestions sound like a
very bad idea.
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On 6/14/2010 7:45 AM, Invisible wrote:
>>> It's the 6510, which is similar to the 6502 that everything else used
>>> but with a few minor alterations. It's not a C64-specific chip though;
>>> just a different model in the range.
>>>
>>
>> But, see, it isn't an off-the-shelf component.
>
> How do you figure that?
>
> MOS Technology made the very successful 6502, so they designed an
> upgraded version, the 6510. It just so happens that Commodore purchased
> the 6510 for their Commodore 64 system. How is that not "off-the-shelf"?
>
If there are any customizations to it, then it is no longer just an
off-the-shelf device. I'm not sure Commodore did anything custom with
the 6510, though
>
> Fabricating a 40 nm Intel Core i7 might require high-resolution
> photo-etching such that the fab itself is expensive. If you're just
> throwing a few logic gates together, you won't be using a 40 nm fab. So
> the fabrication costs are quite small; it's setting up the production
> line that costs $$$. And, of course, the design costs. But I would
> imagine tooling up a fab is astronomically expensive. If you aren't
> making 80,000,000 units, it would seem prohibitively expensive.
>
Yeah, OK... but still... clean room. ;) it also depends a lot on the
size of the die. A larger die is more expensive because the yield is
actually lower.
>>> More like, they know their clients need a shaker that's guaranteed to
>>> work repeatably, so they can charge anything they like.
>>
>> I'm sure there's a point where the cost would be more than the client
>> will accept.
>
> You wanna bet?
>
consider alternatives.
>
> Well, the newest mass spectrometer we have was purchased about 5 years
> ago. (Second-hand, obviously. We can only afford to buy the old crap
> that other companies are throwing away.) Still, I gather GPIB is
> supposedly quite popular in scientific applications. (Could explain why
>
>
Hmm, I suppose it makes sense that it would use it. From what I was
reading it's a standard bus for instrumentation.
FWIW, one of our older machines used something called ProfiBUS, the
interface card for it is extremely expensive ($1000, iirc) You didn't
dare screw with the interface card.
>> You still have to have the hardware to execute the commands of the
>> software, and depending on the application it could be much more
>> reliable to have it done in hardware.
>
> If all you're doing is cycling stepper motors, it would seem that all
> you need is some memory-mapped registers and the analogue electronics to
> map a binary digit to a step signal.
>
Well... dealing with multiple sensors where the number of sensors is
more than the number of IO ports available on the controller or drive,
then you need to do some kind of logic outside the program in order to
get conditions from a combination of sensors. You can't easily or
cheaply add more IO lines than the manufacturer supplies.
Most of what we have done are servo, which is generally analog or PWM.
>> Some things safety related are not controlled by software at all...
>> Take the Emergency Stop on industrial machines, for instance ...
>
> Then again, that's an extremely simple function.
right, but there may be a wired-or situation where if the e-stop for
example is pressed or a sensor is activated (in one case on a large saw
there's a rope around the perimeter of the saw, if someone were to get
pulled into the machine, they'd hit the rope and trigger an e-stop.)
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~Mike
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On 6/14/2010 7:57 AM, Invisible wrote:
>>> perhaps you need a baby. More than a woman, having to feed a baby
>>> should boost
>>> your morale...
>>
>> Uh... for the sake of the baby, maybe he should start with a pet >_<
>
> Given my history with pets... both of these suggestions sound like a
> very bad idea.
A baby would be very demoralizing.. Don't get that. Colossally bad idea
if you need a pick me up. They vomit constantly, throw food, leave
terrible messes, and scream if they don't get attention.
Now, a 3 year old that can old basic conversations and worships the
ground you walk on .... :) That's less demoralizing, but it took 3 years
to get there. And he can still be exceptionally stubborn and does things
just for the purpose of seeing how far he can push things.
So, IOW, terrible idea... ;)
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~Mike
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>> Given my history with pets... both of these suggestions sound like a
>> very bad idea.
>
> A baby would be very demoralizing.. Don't get that.
Fhahahaha! :-D
What, I can't take it back for a refund?
> Colossally bad idea
> if you need a pick me up. They vomit constantly, throw food, leave
> terrible messes, and scream if they don't get attention.
Yeah, I never did quite see the attraction.
Also, those people who say "man, I slept like a baby last night". So...
you woke up every 90 minutes crying for another feed? o_O
> Now, a 3 year old that can old basic conversations and worships the
> ground you walk on .... :) That's less demoralizing, but it took 3 years
> to get there.
Well, every child I've ever met thought I was a dufus (or a punch bag).
> And he can still be exceptionally stubborn and does things
> just for the purpose of seeing how far he can push things.
It's an important learning experience. ;-)
> So, IOW, terrible idea... ;)
That was my conclusion also, yes.
Also, I would sincerly hope that they don't allow emotionally unstable
people to adopt small children. (!!)
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Am 14.06.2010 14:33, schrieb Mike Raiford:
> Judging by the
> other posts I've read, the cost isn't in the fab. Which is surprising,
> given the clean-room requirements and high-resolution photo-etching
> process.
Not surprising if you remember that you have the very same costs for
off-the-shelf ICs as well.
> Not heard of GPIB, so I looked it up. Apparently aka IEEE-488 surprised
> they're not using Ethernet or something less obsolete... but, there you
> go. ;)
Robust, proven, easy to wire up (no need for hubs), and most of all
/the/ standard among lab equipment, with plenty of accessories.
"Obsolete" is something totally different.
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On 6/14/2010 8:48 AM, Invisible wrote:
>
> Fhahahaha! :-D
>
> What, I can't take it back for a refund?
>
Nope. Not even if its defective XD
>> Colossally bad idea if you need a pick me up. They vomit constantly,
>> throw food, leave terrible messes, and scream if they don't get
>> attention.
>
> Yeah, I never did quite see the attraction.
>
Evolutionary biology.
> Also, those people who say "man, I slept like a baby last night". So...
> you woke up every 90 minutes crying for another feed? o_O
Haha.. yeah, well, its true for about the first 3 months, after that,
they tend to sleep through the night.... mostly.
>> Now, a 3 year old that can old basic conversations and worships the
>> ground you walk on .... :) That's less demoralizing, but it took 3
>> years to get there.
>
> Well, every child I've ever met thought I was a dufus (or a punch bag).
>
Wow... if my kid hit someone there would be serious consequences. I
don't think he'd think you were a dufus, but then he's only 3 and not
equipped to judge character yet.
>> And he can still be exceptionally stubborn and does things just for
>> the purpose of seeing how far he can push things.
>
> It's an important learning experience. ;-)
>
Yeah, I know. its part of his process to figure out what the parameters
of his environment is. He has learned that spitting at people, for
example, is very highly frowned upon. So now he makes attempts at
progressively milder actions of a similar vein.
>> So, IOW, terrible idea... ;)
>
> That was my conclusion also, yes.
>
> Also, I would sincerly hope that they don't allow emotionally unstable
> people to adopt small children. (!!)
Well, any emotionally unstable person can breed, so ...
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~Mike
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>> What, I can't take it back for a refund?
>
> Nope. Not even if its defective XD
What do you mean "if"?
>> Also, those people who say "man, I slept like a baby last night". So...
>> you woke up every 90 minutes crying for another feed? o_O
>
> Haha.. yeah, well, its true for about the first 3 months, after that,
> they tend to sleep through the night.... mostly.
Although, on the other hand, I've seen people walking round the streets
or in Tesco or something with a pushchair containing a small child,
completely comatose. There's cars flying past, there's people shouting,
dogs barking, road drills going... not even a blink. Completely sound
asleep. WTF?
>> Well, every child I've ever met thought I was a dufus (or a punch bag).
>>
>
> Wow... if my kid hit someone there would be serious consequences.
Yeah, well... the people running my school couldn't be bothered with all
that "consequences" stuff. Easier to just stand there smoking your fags
casually paying no attention.
>> Also, I would sincerly hope that they don't allow emotionally unstable
>> people to adopt small children. (!!)
>
> Well, any emotionally unstable person can breed, so ...
I haven't managed that one yet. Or even come remotely close.
There's "emotionally unstable" and then there's "nobody wants to ****ing
know you, mate". :-(
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