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>> Thing is, you can get that question wrong and never drive on a motorway,
>> let alone have these things explained to you, then you get your full
>> driving license. It's no wonder so many people get it wrong.
>
> Ehh... don't you have to drive on the motorway in the driving exam at
> least once?
No. Before you have actually passed your test you are not allowed to drive
on motorways, this includes during the actual practical exam.
It's not quite as bad as it sounds though, because in the UK we have a lot
of roads that are very similar to motorways (same speed limit, dual
carriageways, multiple lanes in each direction) but are just not classed as
such. You can drive on these as a learner driver. Also IIRC in the test
you have to drive on a road like this for a bit too.
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> idea that in the general case they have some basic human right to drive
> over the speed limit in the left lane and someone driving the limit in the
> left lane is breaking the law.
How do you know you are going the speed limit? Speedometers in cars usually
underread significantly at high speed.
Besides, it's not your job to enforce other drivers to keep to the speed
limit, and you certainly shouldn't do anything illegal or dangerous. In the
UK there is a famous video from an unmarked police car that is catching up
with another car doing ~100 mph on a 70 limit motorway. A member of the
public obviously has got annoyed by these fast drivers so pulls out right in
front of the unmarked police car and forces it to go at what he thinks is
the speed limit. Both drivers were stopped and prosecuted.
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On 08/06/2010 1:10 PM, Mike Raiford wrote:
> On 6/7/2010 4:36 PM, Stephen wrote:
>
>>>
>>> heh...
>>>
>>
>> Don't you mean "He Haw" :-)
>>
>
> Nah ... Yeeee Hawww!
I stand corrected.
> <whilst randomly firing two six-shooter pistols> ;)
>
Pearl handled ones, I assume.
> Hee Haw sounds too much like the braying of a jackass ;)
>
No comment :-P
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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On 09/06/2010 8:50 AM, scott wrote:
> The key point is to be aware what is happening far enough ahead of you
> relative to your speed. Doing 200 km/hr can be safe if you check far
> enough ahead of you that it is clear (not just the one car ahead of
> you). If you can't for whatever reason then you need to slow down until
> you can see far enough for your speed.
If it is of any interest. Each week I make a 400 mile round journey
mostly on motorways. At the end of the outward leg I find that it is
difficult to focus on anything closer than, about 15 yards. As I travel
at speed and I am mostly concentrating on the road about a quarter to a
half mile ahead. On the homeward leg the traffic is much denser so my
speed is less and my point of concentration is closer. I don’t notice
that phenomenon.
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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> If it is of any interest. Each week I make a 400 mile round journey mostly
> on motorways. At the end of the outward leg I find that it is difficult to
> focus on anything closer than, about 15 yards. As I travel at speed and I
> am mostly concentrating on the road about a quarter to a half mile ahead.
Yes, I find this leads to a much more relaxing drive as you can react early
and gently to every situation rather than constantly accelerating/braking in
response to the car directly ahead. Of course sometimes you get an idiot
riding your bumper as you gradually slow when the traffic is stopped in 500
metres, but hey he looks stupid once you've come to a stop :-)
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On 09/06/2010 1:02 PM, scott wrote:
>> If it is of any interest. Each week I make a 400 mile round journey
>> mostly on motorways. At the end of the outward leg I find that it is
>> difficult to focus on anything closer than, about 15 yards. As I
>> travel at speed and I am mostly concentrating on the road about a
>> quarter to a half mile ahead.
>
> Yes, I find this leads to a much more relaxing drive as you can react
> early and gently to every situation rather than constantly
> accelerating/braking in response to the car directly ahead. Of course
> sometimes you get an idiot riding your bumper as you gradually slow when
> the traffic is stopped in 500 metres, but hey he looks stupid once
> you've come to a stop :-)
>
>
Who wants excitement on a drive?
It is enough to wake you up ;-)
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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On 6/9/2010 5:44 AM, Stephen wrote:
> On 08/06/2010 1:10 PM, Mike Raiford wrote:
>> On 6/7/2010 4:36 PM, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> heh...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't you mean "He Haw" :-)
>>>
>>
>> Nah ... Yeeee Hawww!
>
> I stand corrected.
>
>> <whilst randomly firing two six-shooter pistols> ;)
>>
>
> Pearl handled ones, I assume.
>
Ohh, you bet!
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~Mike
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On 6/9/2010 3:17 AM, scott wrote:
>> idea that in the general case they have some basic human right to
>> drive over the speed limit in the left lane and someone driving the
>> limit in the left lane is breaking the law.
>
> How do you know you are going the speed limit? Speedometers in cars
> usually underread significantly at high speed.
I dunno, according to my GPS the speedometer on my car is still accurate
at around 70-75 mph.
> Besides, it's not your job to enforce other drivers to keep to the speed
> limit, and you certainly shouldn't do anything illegal or dangerous. In
> the UK there is a famous video from an unmarked police car that is
> catching up with another car doing ~100 mph on a 70 limit motorway. A
> member of the public obviously has got annoyed by these fast drivers so
> pulls out right in front of the unmarked police car and forces it to go
> at what he thinks is the speed limit. Both drivers were stopped and
> prosecuted.
>
And rightfully so! Pulling such a stunt is dangerous and stupid.
Regardless, you're still technically breaking the law if you're driving
over the speed limit even in the left lane. But, I do go slightly over
when overtaking a car that's going only a few mph under the speed limit
just to limit the amount of time I spend in the left lane.
On another note, another legitimate reason to be in the left lane: It's
generally considered a courtesy to move left (if safe to do so) when
someone is entering the freeway, especially in situations where there's
very little room for the entering motorist to accelerate.
--
~Mike
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On 6/9/2010 3:00 AM, scott wrote:
>
> I think the brakes are probably pretty much the same on all cars
> everywhere. What you need is better tyres :-)
>
Some do have better brakes than others, but the most important (and
overlooked!) part of the car is that small square patch of rubber where
the tire meets the row, this is usually your main point of failure. You
can have 700 ft/lb of torque, and the best brakes in the world, if your
tires suck none of it matters. Of course, there's a trade-off. Tires
that grip exceptionally well do so because the rubber is soft. Soft
rubber wears faster.
--
~Mike
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scott wrote:
> I don't follow your logic here, if you're leaving a 4 second gap to the
> car immediately ahead, you still have a 4 second gap no matter what the
> people are doing ahead of you.
You answered your own question:
> Of course in reality cars don't just instantly stop for no reason,
They do if they run into the person in front of them who is also already
stopped.
> anything ahead of the car immediately in front. If they fixed either of
> those two issues there wouldn't be any pile up.
If *everybody* fixes those two issues, there's no pile-up. If you're car
#150 of 300, it doesn't much matter whether you hit the guy in front if the
guys behind you don't leave enough root to stop.
> The key point is to be aware what is happening far enough ahead of you
> relative to your speed. Doing 200 km/hr can be safe if you check far
> enough ahead of you that it is clear (not just the one car ahead of
> you). If you can't for whatever reason then you need to slow down until
> you can see far enough for your speed.
Yes. Sadly, most people around here are really bad drivers.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Eiffel - The language that lets you specify exactly
that the code does what you think it does, even if
it doesn't do what you wanted.
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