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>> Right. Because having a job near to where I live is *obviously* a
>> "totally unrealistic requirement". WTF?
>
> What is unrealistic is assuming you will find a satisfying job within
> that area.
I'm not sure why you think that.
If I wanted to get a job where I get paid to write stuff in Haskell,
that would be an unrealistic aim. If I wanted to work for Nokia, that
would be an unrealistic aim. If I wanted to earn £25,000 a year, that
would be an unrealistic aim. But I don't see why getting a job somewhere
near to where I live would be an unrealistic aim.
> Most people are prepared to move if they can get a good job
> that is beyond commuting distance.
I don't know of anybody who moved just to get a job. (With the exception
of my sister.) Admittedly I don't know a huge number of people, but both
my parents have had lots and lots of jobs, and have never left MK. (I'm
guessing moving house when you have small children is not especially
easy...) My stepbrother's parents - never left MK. Hell, my mate Jayne
lives in a tiny village in the middle of nowhere and she's never moved
house to get a job. (Then again, she commutes crazy distances.) The
*only* person I know of who's moved house to find a job is my sister.
> As far as we know you don't have a girlfriend and the only reason to
> stay where you live would be that you definitely don't want to leave
> your mother. Not sure if that is the case.
I'd actually *like* to leave my mother. She drives me crazy. It's the
city of MK that I enjoy and don't particularly want to leave.
> so
> pick a place where you can have a career. And don't wait too long.
Heh. One more thing to add to the list of problems I'm running out of
time to solve. :-/
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On 29-11-2009 13:49, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Right. Because having a job near to where I live is *obviously* a
>>> "totally unrealistic requirement". WTF?
>>
>> What is unrealistic is assuming you will find a satisfying job within
>> that area.
>
> I'm not sure why you think that.
The important word in that sentence was 'satisfying' (see also below).
> If I wanted to get a job where I get paid to write stuff in Haskell,
> that would be an unrealistic aim. If I wanted to work for Nokia, that
> would be an unrealistic aim. If I wanted to earn £25,000 a year, that
> would be an unrealistic aim.
I disagree with that last one (unless it is after tax). It is in the
ballpark of what I could offer you (if we get the project granted and
the other people involved agree to hire you). Which means that a job in
a similar place would pay the same sort of money. Yet be aware that I
might take that chance, because I think I know a bit about you and that
your CV does not reflect your possibilities, others might prefer to hire
somebody younger and/or with better qualifications on paper.
> But I don't see why getting a job somewhere
> near to where I live would be an unrealistic aim.
>
>> Most people are prepared to move if they can get a good job that is
>> beyond commuting distance.
>
> I don't know of anybody who moved just to get a job. (With the exception
> of my sister.) Admittedly I don't know a huge number of people, but both
> my parents have had lots and lots of jobs, and have never left MK. (I'm
> guessing moving house when you have small children is not especially
> easy...) My stepbrother's parents - never left MK. Hell, my mate Jayne
> lives in a tiny village in the middle of nowhere and she's never moved
> house to get a job. (Then again, she commutes crazy distances.) The
> *only* person I know of who's moved house to find a job is my sister.
It all depends on the sort of job. If you are looking for the kind of
job that is needed in quantities of about 10 per 1000 people, you can
find a job nearby. A sysop, I'm guessing, is about 1 in 10000, so that
is reachable, but that is not really the sort of job you are looking
for. The sort of job that you are looking for is less than 1 in 100000
and mostly in bigger companies and universities. Hence: I don't think
you are going to find that job in MK, even if there are positions there
they will be filled and when they become vacant you won't be on top of
the list.
In the end it is your choice, stay in MK and end in this job or as a
'sysop' that spends it's time solving other peoples stupid problems, or
decide that a good job is more important and be prepared to move, or
wait for that one in a million chance.
>> As far as we know you don't have a girlfriend and the only reason to
>> stay where you live would be that you definitely don't want to leave
>> your mother. Not sure if that is the case.
>
> I'd actually *like* to leave my mother. She drives me crazy. It's the
> city of MK that I enjoy and don't particularly want to leave.
Think of it this way: if you have to move you might not want to leave
that place either after a few months or years.
>> so pick a place where you can have a career. And don't wait too long.
>
> Heh. One more thing to add to the list of problems I'm running out of
> time to solve. :-/
I assumed you were aware of that. You are stuck in a position that does
not add any more to your experience. If you stay there your training
will be perceived as outdated and extending your work experience there
will not add anything to your CV. HR managers tend to prefer people that
take initiatives and hop jobs. They are wrong of course, but that won't
help you.
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:41:12 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:53:33 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Yay! We listened to Ep1, and I was wondering when we were finally
>>> going to get an episode of MC. Will grab it (should have shown up on
>>> uknova by now?).
>>>
>>> Jim
>> I won’t spoil it for you :)
>
> It was *fantastic*. I have to admit, Jack Dee is quite good as the
> chairman - and I didn't think he would be.
>
Yes I like him now. He sounds as he has the hump ;)
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Stephen
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andrel wrote:
> On 29-11-2009 13:49, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> If I wanted to get a job where I get paid to write stuff in Haskell,
>> that would be an unrealistic aim. If I wanted to work for Nokia, that
>> would be an unrealistic aim. If I wanted to earn £25,000 a year, that
>> would be an unrealistic aim.
>
> I disagree with that last one (unless it is after tax). It is in the
> ballpark of what I could offer you (if we get the project granted and
> the other people involved agree to hire you). Which means that a job in
> a similar place would pay the same sort of money. Yet be aware that I
> might take that chance, because I think I know a bit about you and that
> your CV does not reflect your possibilities, others might prefer to hire
> somebody younger and/or with better qualifications on paper.
>
Now there is an offer that does not come along very often, Andrew.
The Netherlands (note that I do not say Holland ;)) is a great place to
work and live. I found the people friendly, helpful and straightforward.
I don’t think that there would be a problem with the language as I did
not meet anyone who could not speak a little English (and French or
German), most of the ones I met were fluent in English.
I would have jumped at the chance when I was your age and unattached.
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Best Regards,
Stephen
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Invisible wrote:
> Well sure, if I go live in London I'm sure there are bucket-loads of
> programming jobs.
I used to feel the same way about the east-coast cities I grew up near.
California cities (and probably other west-coast cities) are rather
different, surprisingly enough.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Human nature dictates that toothpaste tubes spend
much longer being almost empty than almost full.
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andrel wrote:
> Same for France (though they have the added problem
> of no speaking English)
I spent three or four weeks in France, at least two of which were in Paris
itself. There was only one person I met who refused to speak english, and
since he was behind a post office desk with my unstamped post cards on the
table in front of him, I have to assume he was failing to understand me
intentionally.
China, now... I've never seen such a place for people not knowing English. :-)
> Totally aside: is there a nice psychiatric term for your condition. It
> clearly is some kind of phobia, but perhaps it is so rare that it does
> not have a name. Anyone knows?
Parochialism?
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
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andrel wrote:
> D*mn is there a way to phrase this in an unambiguous way?
"Afraid of meeting foreigners, not afraid of being a foreigner." :-)
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> People with an accent that's difficult to understand, basically.
Move to a country that's teeming with people with bad accents, and everyone
will accommodate you. Move to someplace where everyone speaks the same
foreign language and I'm not so sure.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
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andrel wrote:
> Think of it this way: if you have to move you might not want to leave
> that place either after a few months or years.
I grew up in an area where about 80% of the population never leaves the city
they were born in. And by "never leaves" I don't mean "lives somewhere else"
but literally "never leaves". They never go more than about 100 miles from
where they live.
Some people get out and go far away. But I know many people who grew up, got
married, and moved to live so close they were still in the same central
office as their parents' house.
And yes, it is quite possible to move away from a place like that and like a
different place. But not for everyone.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Human nature dictates that toothpaste tubes spend
much longer being almost empty than almost full.
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> by not wanting to try to get around London on a daily basis.
The actual nice thing about cities is they tend to be very easy to get
around. I've never vacationed in a city that I've taken an automobile. The
paris and london subways (as well as a few in the USA) are really all you
need, if you're willing to walk two or three blocks or hop an occasional
taxi cab to go too far towards the edge.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
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