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>> Did you miss the part where I actually went to an interview for another
>> job? Would I do that if I wasn't prepaid to change?
>
> It would be awesome if I was pre-paid to change things...
*facepalm*
What can I say? It's saturday night. (Or at least it is here...)
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On 28-11-2009 21:09, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>> I am rather sure that you have never been to Germany so your remarks
>>>> about that country are simply inappropriate.
>>>
>>> There's nothing wrong with Germany. I'm sure lots of people *love*
>>> living there. It's just that *I* don't want to live there. I'm
>>> allowed an opinion aren't I?
>>
>> Are you sure it is "aren't I"? Anyway, yes you are allowed an opinion,
>> my problem is prejudice. This was just that, a negative opinion based
>> on no facts at all.
>
> Foreign people make me nervous. Fact.
When you live in another country you'd be the foreigner. ;)
More seriously: why do we make you nervous and where do you draw the
line? non english speaking? Scots? people from outside MK?
> Living in Germany would mean that
> I am surrounded by such people constantly. Fact. So I probably wouldn't
> like Germany. Not a fact, but a reasonable supposition, I'd say.
>
>>> Still, most of the populous of MK are employed. If everybody else
>>> manages it, there seems no particular reason why I can't.
>>
>> AFAIK you are employed. Do work below your capacity, hate it, and are
>> not prepared to change your job for fear of the unknown.
>
> Who says I'm not prepaid to change my job?
>
> Did you miss the part where I actually went to an interview for another
> job?
yes. How many miles from your home was that?
> Would I do that if I wasn't prepaid to change?
>
>> Put another way: normally I am prepared to accept anybody's statement
>> on what they feel and think, but in this case I think you are simply
>> scared to death by the idea of change, no matter what you say.
>
> I'd say I'm more scared of the idea of *not* changing - that what I have
> now is all my life is ever going to be. But you presumably aren't going
> to believe me.
Not really, not as long as you persist in having totally unrealistic
requirement for a new job, like being able to commute from his mother's
home.
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>> Foreign people make me nervous. Fact.
>
> When you live in another country you'd be the foreigner. ;)
Hell yes. ;-)
> More seriously: why do we make you nervous and where do you draw the
> line? non english speaking? Scots? people from outside MK?
People with an accent that's difficult to understand, basically.
Communicating with people is intimidating enough already...
>> Did you miss the part where I actually went to an interview for
>> another job?
>
> yes. How many miles from your home was that?
That one just happened to be quite close by. I sent out applications to
half a dozen jobs, and it just so happens that the only people who
bothered to reply were quite near. I didn't plan it that way.
>> I'd say I'm more scared of the idea of *not* changing - that what I
>> have now is all my life is ever going to be. But you presumably aren't
>> going to believe me.
>
> Not really, not as long as you persist in having totally unrealistic
> requirement for a new job, like being able to commute from his mother's
> home.
Right. Because having a job near to where I live is *obviously* a
"totally unrealistic requirement". WTF?
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On 29-11-2009 11:53, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Foreign people make me nervous. Fact.
>>
>> When you live in another country you'd be the foreigner. ;)
>
> Hell yes. ;-)
>
>> More seriously: why do we make you nervous and where do you draw the
>> line? non english speaking? Scots? people from outside MK?
>
> People with an accent that's difficult to understand, basically.
> Communicating with people is intimidating enough already...
So that even excludes living in Whales, Ireland, Scotland Australia, NZ
and the US and pretty much everywhere else where they speak English.
Actually people in some countries on mainland Europe (Denmark, Germany,
the Netherlands...) might be much easier to understand for you than e.g.
a Scot. At least they are for me ;)
Let me also tell you this: an accent is the least of your (=anyone's)
problems in communication. Much more important is if they are friendly
and prepared to take you seriously and listen to what you say. There is
no point in 'communicating' with someone that you understand every word
of, when the sequence of those words implies that he doesn't give a ****
what your opinion is.
>>> I'd say I'm more scared of the idea of *not* changing - that what I
>>> have now is all my life is ever going to be. But you presumably
>>> aren't going to believe me.
>>
>> Not really, not as long as you persist in having totally unrealistic
>> requirement for a new job, like being able to commute from his
>> mother's home.
>
> Right. Because having a job near to where I live is *obviously* a
> "totally unrealistic requirement". WTF?
What is unrealistic is assuming you will find a satisfying job within
that area. Most people are prepared to move if they can get a good job
that is beyond commuting distance. They only common exception are people
with spouses that also work, then you have to find a place where both
can have a job.
As far as we know you don't have a girlfriend and the only reason to
stay where you live would be that you definitely don't want to leave
your mother. Not sure if that is the case. Money is not an acceptable
excuse because most jobs that you are qualified for will pay enough to
rent a small place for yourself. Probably not your dream home yet, so
pick a place where you can have a career. And don't wait too long.
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>> Right. Because having a job near to where I live is *obviously* a
>> "totally unrealistic requirement". WTF?
>
> What is unrealistic is assuming you will find a satisfying job within
> that area.
I'm not sure why you think that.
If I wanted to get a job where I get paid to write stuff in Haskell,
that would be an unrealistic aim. If I wanted to work for Nokia, that
would be an unrealistic aim. If I wanted to earn £25,000 a year, that
would be an unrealistic aim. But I don't see why getting a job somewhere
near to where I live would be an unrealistic aim.
> Most people are prepared to move if they can get a good job
> that is beyond commuting distance.
I don't know of anybody who moved just to get a job. (With the exception
of my sister.) Admittedly I don't know a huge number of people, but both
my parents have had lots and lots of jobs, and have never left MK. (I'm
guessing moving house when you have small children is not especially
easy...) My stepbrother's parents - never left MK. Hell, my mate Jayne
lives in a tiny village in the middle of nowhere and she's never moved
house to get a job. (Then again, she commutes crazy distances.) The
*only* person I know of who's moved house to find a job is my sister.
> As far as we know you don't have a girlfriend and the only reason to
> stay where you live would be that you definitely don't want to leave
> your mother. Not sure if that is the case.
I'd actually *like* to leave my mother. She drives me crazy. It's the
city of MK that I enjoy and don't particularly want to leave.
> so
> pick a place where you can have a career. And don't wait too long.
Heh. One more thing to add to the list of problems I'm running out of
time to solve. :-/
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On 29-11-2009 13:49, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Right. Because having a job near to where I live is *obviously* a
>>> "totally unrealistic requirement". WTF?
>>
>> What is unrealistic is assuming you will find a satisfying job within
>> that area.
>
> I'm not sure why you think that.
The important word in that sentence was 'satisfying' (see also below).
> If I wanted to get a job where I get paid to write stuff in Haskell,
> that would be an unrealistic aim. If I wanted to work for Nokia, that
> would be an unrealistic aim. If I wanted to earn £25,000 a year, that
> would be an unrealistic aim.
I disagree with that last one (unless it is after tax). It is in the
ballpark of what I could offer you (if we get the project granted and
the other people involved agree to hire you). Which means that a job in
a similar place would pay the same sort of money. Yet be aware that I
might take that chance, because I think I know a bit about you and that
your CV does not reflect your possibilities, others might prefer to hire
somebody younger and/or with better qualifications on paper.
> But I don't see why getting a job somewhere
> near to where I live would be an unrealistic aim.
>
>> Most people are prepared to move if they can get a good job that is
>> beyond commuting distance.
>
> I don't know of anybody who moved just to get a job. (With the exception
> of my sister.) Admittedly I don't know a huge number of people, but both
> my parents have had lots and lots of jobs, and have never left MK. (I'm
> guessing moving house when you have small children is not especially
> easy...) My stepbrother's parents - never left MK. Hell, my mate Jayne
> lives in a tiny village in the middle of nowhere and she's never moved
> house to get a job. (Then again, she commutes crazy distances.) The
> *only* person I know of who's moved house to find a job is my sister.
It all depends on the sort of job. If you are looking for the kind of
job that is needed in quantities of about 10 per 1000 people, you can
find a job nearby. A sysop, I'm guessing, is about 1 in 10000, so that
is reachable, but that is not really the sort of job you are looking
for. The sort of job that you are looking for is less than 1 in 100000
and mostly in bigger companies and universities. Hence: I don't think
you are going to find that job in MK, even if there are positions there
they will be filled and when they become vacant you won't be on top of
the list.
In the end it is your choice, stay in MK and end in this job or as a
'sysop' that spends it's time solving other peoples stupid problems, or
decide that a good job is more important and be prepared to move, or
wait for that one in a million chance.
>> As far as we know you don't have a girlfriend and the only reason to
>> stay where you live would be that you definitely don't want to leave
>> your mother. Not sure if that is the case.
>
> I'd actually *like* to leave my mother. She drives me crazy. It's the
> city of MK that I enjoy and don't particularly want to leave.
Think of it this way: if you have to move you might not want to leave
that place either after a few months or years.
>> so pick a place where you can have a career. And don't wait too long.
>
> Heh. One more thing to add to the list of problems I'm running out of
> time to solve. :-/
I assumed you were aware of that. You are stuck in a position that does
not add any more to your experience. If you stay there your training
will be perceived as outdated and extending your work experience there
will not add anything to your CV. HR managers tend to prefer people that
take initiatives and hop jobs. They are wrong of course, but that won't
help you.
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:41:12 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:53:33 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Yay! We listened to Ep1, and I was wondering when we were finally
>>> going to get an episode of MC. Will grab it (should have shown up on
>>> uknova by now?).
>>>
>>> Jim
>> I won’t spoil it for you :)
>
> It was *fantastic*. I have to admit, Jack Dee is quite good as the
> chairman - and I didn't think he would be.
>
Yes I like him now. He sounds as he has the hump ;)
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andrel wrote:
> On 29-11-2009 13:49, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> If I wanted to get a job where I get paid to write stuff in Haskell,
>> that would be an unrealistic aim. If I wanted to work for Nokia, that
>> would be an unrealistic aim. If I wanted to earn £25,000 a year, that
>> would be an unrealistic aim.
>
> I disagree with that last one (unless it is after tax). It is in the
> ballpark of what I could offer you (if we get the project granted and
> the other people involved agree to hire you). Which means that a job in
> a similar place would pay the same sort of money. Yet be aware that I
> might take that chance, because I think I know a bit about you and that
> your CV does not reflect your possibilities, others might prefer to hire
> somebody younger and/or with better qualifications on paper.
>
Now there is an offer that does not come along very often, Andrew.
The Netherlands (note that I do not say Holland ;)) is a great place to
work and live. I found the people friendly, helpful and straightforward.
I don’t think that there would be a problem with the language as I did
not meet anyone who could not speak a little English (and French or
German), most of the ones I met were fluent in English.
I would have jumped at the chance when I was your age and unattached.
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Stephen
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Invisible wrote:
> Well sure, if I go live in London I'm sure there are bucket-loads of
> programming jobs.
I used to feel the same way about the east-coast cities I grew up near.
California cities (and probably other west-coast cities) are rather
different, surprisingly enough.
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andrel wrote:
> Same for France (though they have the added problem
> of no speaking English)
I spent three or four weeks in France, at least two of which were in Paris
itself. There was only one person I met who refused to speak english, and
since he was behind a post office desk with my unstamped post cards on the
table in front of him, I have to assume he was failing to understand me
intentionally.
China, now... I've never seen such a place for people not knowing English. :-)
> Totally aside: is there a nice psychiatric term for your condition. It
> clearly is some kind of phobia, but perhaps it is so rare that it does
> not have a name. Anyone knows?
Parochialism?
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