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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:58:51 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> scott wrote:
>>>> Or a different city. Move to San Francisco.
>>>
>>> Sure. Or I could just top myself now. Probably a lot simpler. :-P
>>
>> Apply for a job in SF, they give you a telephone interview, then pay
>> for your flight and hotel to do a face-to-face interview. Then they
>> offer you the job, obviously including relocation expenses. You take a
>> flight there, stay in a hotel for a couple of weeks until you find a
>> house/apartment, then arrange to have the rest of your stuff shipped
>> over. Job done. People do this all the time, it's no big deal. If it
>> turns out you hate it then move back after 6 months or whatever.
>
> Heh. Sure. I mean, just turn my back on everyone and everything I have
> ever cared about in this world, travel thousands of miles to somewhere
> where I don't even know what the laws are never mind the local customs,
> and live in total isolation for the rest of my life (or at least until I
> decide I want to stop). I'm sure people do it every day. :-}
Hey, we're planning to move to Scotland in the next few years. People do
this quite regularly.
Jim
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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:01:15 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>>>> Or a different city. Move to San Francisco.
>>>
>>> Sure. Or I could just top myself now. Probably a lot simpler. :-P
>>
>> Do you realise that you have just dissed the most important country in
>> the world. Expect cruse missiles over MK by tonight :p
>
> Hey, some *other* people might like San Francisco. Especially if they
> like wearing flowers in their hair. But that's not my style...
Then you don't understand what SF is all about very well, and you're
prejudging based on, I don't know, movies you've seen that are supposedly
set in SF?
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:53:33 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>
> Yay! We listened to Ep1, and I was wondering when we were finally going
> to get an episode of MC. Will grab it (should have shown up on uknova by
> now?).
>
> Jim
I won’t spoil it for you :)
--
Best Regards,
Stephen
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>>> Do you realise that you have just dissed the most important country in
>>> the world. Expect cruse missiles over MK by tonight :p
>> Hey, some *other* people might like San Francisco. Especially if they
>> like wearing flowers in their hair. But that's not my style...
>
> Then you don't understand what SF is all about very well, and you're
> prejudging based on, I don't know, movies you've seen that are supposedly
> set in SF?
The thing about the flowers was supposed to be entertaining. I'm just
saying that, while other people might like it, I personally don't want
to live in SF.
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>> You don't seem to get it, do you? I *like* MK. I don't want to leave.
>> It's the only place in the UK I've found that isn't old and crappy.
>
> And at the same time, you say "I don't want to get the crap kicked out of
> me by standing up for myself" - which to me DOESN'T sound like that great
> of a place to live. Unless you like living in fear of having the crap
> kicked out of you for standing up for yourself.
Surely that's the some everywhere though? I mean, whether you're in
London, Paris or Rome, upsetting people generally isn't a good idea.
> I understand that there are things you like about MK. I also understand
> that you haven't actually seen a lot of the world, so your decision-
> making being based on what you know is what's limiting you.
I've been to a number of random cities around the country. Hell, I've
even been to places in other countries. The nice thing about Switzerland
is the skiing. But if it weren't for the skiing and the snow, there
would be absolutely no reason to go there - and I would certainly never
ever want to live there, even if it were somehow possible to ski every
single day, all year round.
Similarly, I enjoy visiting places in London such as the Natural History
Museum and the Royal Albert Hall, but London itself is an unpleasent
inconvenience that I have to go through to get to these places. It's
certainly not somewhere I'd choose to hang around.
And then there are places like Liverpool and Lincoln, which I also only
visit because there's something there I want. I certainly don't hang
around for the city itself. Brrr!
>> Well, it's a case of facing facts. Who the hell needs programmers?
>> Nobody. Who needs someone to look after their computers? Quite a lot of
>> people...
>
> Nobody in MK perhaps, which is why you maybe need to broaden your search
> parameters - and not just by fields, but by geography.
>
> That's my point, and one you have rather persistently not seen.
Well sure, if I go live in London I'm sure there are bucket-loads of
programming jobs. The point is that I don't *want* to ever have to live
in London if humanly possible. What's complicated about that?
Hell, if I move to Germany, I could hypothetically go work for Native
Instruments. (I mean, if it weren't for the fact that this is obviously
impossible.) But then I'd have to live in Germany, which would kind of
negate the benefits.
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> Surely that's the some everywhere though? I mean, whether you're in
> London, Paris or Rome, upsetting people generally isn't a good idea.
In most UK cities though, it seems that "casually glancing at someone"
counts as trying to start a fight if they've had a few drinks - I've not
seen that anywhere else. In fact the general level of drunken violence I
have not seen anywhere outside of the UK (apart from where British people
go, eg away football matches and holiday resorts). That is one thing I
certainly don't miss about the UK.
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One of your main character faults is that you judge things that you have
never seen.
Sure, there may be places in London that you don't want to live, but
there are also places that you could happily live in. London is simply
too big to lump it all together. Especially not if your only experience
is from a casual visit to the city center.
I am rather sure that you have never been to Germany so your remarks
about that country are simply inappropriate.
I don't recall that you have visited Amsterdam or the Netherlands in
general. Again there are places you don't want to live in but also
places that are much better than MK on an objective scale, though
possibly not yours. Same for France (though they have the added problem
of no speaking English) or Switzerland or Finland or...
Aside from that, there is still that problem that you may want to live
somewhere but you also have to work there. ATM you are moderately not
unhappy not to live outside MK, but you don't want to work there. If you
move to another place where they do have an interesting and fulfilling
job, you may have to move. So you won't live where you want to. Or do
you? Is there any guarantee that after living there for a few months you
still won't like the place?
Totally aside: is there a nice psychiatric term for your condition. It
clearly is some kind of phobia, but perhaps it is so rare that it does
not have a name. Anyone knows?
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andrel wrote:
> One of your main character faults is that you judge things that you have
> never seen.
So unless I've visited every single city, town, village and hamlet on
the entire face of the Earth, I'm not entitled to have an opinion?
Any specific reason why this only applies to me?
> Sure, there may be places in London that you don't want to live, but
> there are also places that you could happily live in. London is simply
> too big to lump it all together. Especially not if your only experience
> is from a casual visit to the city center.
My grandparents live in Harrow. I'm fairly sure that isn't central London.
Due to my sister moving around the place a lot, I've also spent a
certain amount of time in a number of other parts of the country -
Reading, Guildford, Hull, Manchester, etc. Didn't like any of them.
> I am rather sure that you have never been to Germany so your remarks
> about that country are simply inappropriate.
There's nothing wrong with Germany. I'm sure lots of people *love*
living there. It's just that *I* don't want to live there. I'm allowed
an opinion aren't I?
Switzerland I've visited. (I've been "in" France, but only by sitting
inside a moving car. That doesn't really count for much.) It's a
pleasent enough place to visit, but I wouldn't want to have to live there.
> Aside from that, there is still that problem that you may want to live
> somewhere but you also have to work there.
Agreed.
Still, most of the populous of MK are employed. If everybody else
manages it, there seems no particular reason why I can't.
> ATM you are moderately not
> unhappy not to live outside MK, but you don't want to work there.
Um... is that a triple-negative? I'm having trouble resolving exactly
what the meaning of this sentence is.
> If you
> move to another place where they do have an interesting and fulfilling
> job, you may have to move.
If I move, I may have to move? Interesting tautology... But I think I
get what you're saying.
> Totally aside: is there a nice psychiatric term for your condition. It
> clearly is some kind of phobia, but perhaps it is so rare that it does
> not have a name. Anyone knows?
Xenophobia? *shrugs*
Besides, technically a phobia is when you're "afraid" of something, not
just when you "don't want" something. It's not that I'm afraid of living
somewhere else, just that I don't particularly want to.
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On 27-11-2009 11:12, Invisible wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> One of your main character faults is that you judge things that you
>> have never seen.
>
> So unless I've visited every single city, town, village and hamlet on
> the entire face of the Earth, I'm not entitled to have an opinion?
No, you should simply refrain from voicing a negative opinion on
something you don't know.
> Any specific reason why this only applies to me?
It applies to everybody.
>> Sure, there may be places in London that you don't want to live, but
>> there are also places that you could happily live in. London is simply
>> too big to lump it all together. Especially not if your only
>> experience is from a casual visit to the city center.
>
> My grandparents live in Harrow. I'm fairly sure that isn't central London.
don't know, never been there.
> Due to my sister moving around the place a lot, I've also spent a
> certain amount of time in a number of other parts of the country -
> Reading, Guildford, Hull, Manchester, etc. Didn't like any of them.
>
>> I am rather sure that you have never been to Germany so your remarks
>> about that country are simply inappropriate.
>
> There's nothing wrong with Germany. I'm sure lots of people *love*
> living there. It's just that *I* don't want to live there. I'm allowed
> an opinion aren't I?
Are you sure it is "aren't I"? Anyway, yes you are allowed an opinion,
my problem is prejudice. This was just that, a negative opinion based on
no facts at all.
> Switzerland I've visited. (I've been "in" France, but only by sitting
> inside a moving car. That doesn't really count for much.) It's a
> pleasant enough place to visit, but I wouldn't want to have to live there.
>
>> Aside from that, there is still that problem that you may want to live
>> somewhere but you also have to work there.
>
> Agreed.
>
> Still, most of the populous of MK are employed. If everybody else
> manages it, there seems no particular reason why I can't.
AFAIK you are employed. Do work below your capacity, hate it, and are
not prepared to change your job for fear of the unknown.
>> ATM you are moderately not unhappy not to live outside MK, but you
>> don't want to work there.
>
> Um... is that a triple-negative?
It was intended as a quadruple-negative.
> I'm having trouble resolving exactly
> what the meaning of this sentence is.
Oh come on, dust of your boolean skills.
"you are moderately happy to live in MK'"
>> If you move to another place where they do have an interesting and
>> fulfilling job, you may have to move.
>
> If I move, I may have to move? Interesting tautology... But I think I
> get what you're saying.
>
>> Totally aside: is there a nice psychiatric term for your condition. It
>> clearly is some kind of phobia, but perhaps it is so rare that it does
>> not have a name. Anyone knows?
>
> Xenophobia? *shrugs*
That is normally used for people afraid of meeting foreigners in their
own country not for people afraid of meeting foreigners in their own
country. D*mn is there a way to phrase this in an unambiguous way? This
clearly isn't.
> Besides, technically a phobia is when you're "afraid" of something, not
> just when you "don't want" something. It's not that I'm afraid of living
> somewhere else, just that I don't particularly want to.
I meant the "afraid" interpretation. You may say that it is "just that I
don't particularly want to" what you communicate is that there is no way
that you will ever be prepared to even consider moving. Even is someone
asks you to fly to the states, you said that you rather quit your job
than do that (though indeed later on you managed to go to Switzerland).
Put another way: normally I am prepared to accept anybody's statement on
what they feel and think, but in this case I think you are simply scared
to death by the idea of change, no matter what you say.
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On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:28:38 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>>>> Do you realise that you have just dissed the most important country
>>>> in the world. Expect cruse missiles over MK by tonight :p
>>> Hey, some *other* people might like San Francisco. Especially if they
>>> like wearing flowers in their hair. But that's not my style...
>>
>> Then you don't understand what SF is all about very well, and you're
>> prejudging based on, I don't know, movies you've seen that are
>> supposedly set in SF?
>
> The thing about the flowers was supposed to be entertaining.
It was....
> I'm just
> saying that, while other people might like it, I personally don't want
> to live in SF.
Even though you don't know what it's really like?
Jim
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