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>> I would be homeless, and financially destitute. The bank isn't going
>> to let you stop paying the morgage just because your house burned to
>> the ground.
>
> The bank has no way to force you to pay the mortgage. At least around
> here. They'll just take whatever's left.
In other words, everything I own that has some kind of liquidity.
Besides, don't they just throw you in jail indefinitely if you have no
money? These are banks we're talking about here; they *always* get their
money back.
> But that's what insurance is for.
>
>> And with no house to sell, it is impossible to buy a replacement.
>
> You need a better job.
1. This is not news. ;-)
2. House prices appear to start at around £300,000 or so. The very best,
most unobtainable jobs pay £30,000/year. That's a pretty friggin huge gap.
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Invisible wrote:
> Wait - are we talking about American Football here?
Yes. Soccer players run even more, but that's just speed and endurance and
precision without the strength component.
> There is apparently something wrong with my brain. When I come home from
> a dance class absolutely dripping with sweat and gasping for breath, I
> find myself thinking "yeah, that was a really great evening". It's like
> I *enjoy* hurting myself. o_O
Indeed.
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Darren New wrote:
> scott wrote:
>> I mean isn't the transmitter on Voyager or whatever about to go out of
>> range, and that's only just left our own solar system!
>
> You mean the one that has been running off batteries for 20 years? Yeah,
> likely.
What, no solar power?
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>> There is apparently something wrong with my brain. When I come home
>> from a dance class absolutely dripping with sweat and gasping for
>> breath, I find myself thinking "yeah, that was a really great
>> evening". It's like I *enjoy* hurting myself. o_O
>
> Indeed.
But, dude... that doesn't even MAKE SENSE! >_<
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Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> In fairness, when was the last time you tried copying a file that
>>>> somebody else was still using? Not so easy, is it?
>>> Trivial on Linux.
>> As long as you don't care about correctness. ;-)
>
> Depends a lot on a lot of different factors. Since you're backing up an
> inode, the inode is going to be generally valid (unless it's a special
> file of some sort), but whether it's the version that's being modified in
> memory on some computer somewhere over a network or not depends on when
> the user last saved the file.
No. I'm saying if the file is open, and you're trying to back it up while
it's changing, you're going to have problems with consistency. The file
system might be OK, but whatever you stat() from the inode might be wrong by
the time you're actually copying the data. Or if someone renames X to Y, you
might wind up backing up neither.
"tar: file changed as we read it"
And backing up a SQL database file while SQL is working with it? Not a good
idea. Such a bad idea that SQL servers tend to have alternate mechanisms to
make it work. :-)
Of course, backing up *any* open file is going to be problematic, unless
everyone uses transactions in their file system (and I don't mean just
journaling, but real SQL-like transactions with multiple changes and commits
and rollbacks and such).
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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Invisible wrote:
>>> In fairness, when was the last time you tried copying a file that
>>> somebody else was still using? Not so easy, is it?
>>
>> Uh, yeah, it is, actually. Want my scripts to do it?
>
> Heh. I too have written scripts to do backup. It seems like all you have
> to do is copy a bunch of files, but it's never quite that simple in
> reality. You have to deal with files that are locked, files getting
> moved around or deleted while you're trying to copy them, file security,
> alternate data streams, not upsetting programs working on those files
> just because you want to back them up, and so on.
Correct. And it's not that hard. Want my scripts to do it?
> If you want to be able
> to do stuff like back up or restore an individual Exchange mailbox, good
> luck doing that with scripting.
Well, it would be file-level backups. I don't know how Exchange stores its
mailboxes.
> If you want to back up over a network,
> now you have connection issues, authentication issues, people turning
> the target PC off while you're accessing it...
Yep. Scripts take care of that. Now, of course, if they turn off the PC
halfway thru and don't turn it back on for hours, you have the choice of
bailing on the backup or waiting for hours, but there isn't much one can do
about that.
The tools are there to do this. They're not that hard to understand.
Of course, if you're still 8 years back in your OS technology, it's likely
harder than it is on a modern OS.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:36:03 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> scott wrote:
>>> I mean isn't the transmitter on Voyager or whatever about to go out of
>>> range, and that's only just left our own solar system!
>> You mean the one that has been running off batteries for 20 years?
>> Yeah, likely.
>
> What, no solar power?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Outersolarsystem-probes-4407b.svg
At that distance, solar panels would just be dead weight.
--
FE
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Invisible wrote:
>>> I would be homeless, and financially destitute. The bank isn't going
>>> to let you stop paying the morgage just because your house burned to
>>> the ground.
>>
>> The bank has no way to force you to pay the mortgage. At least around
>> here. They'll just take whatever's left.
>
> In other words, everything I own that has some kind of liquidity.
No. The house you mortgaged. Read your mortgage. It'll likely tell you wh
at
you mortgaged.
Loan - the money you borrowed.
Note - the promise to pay it back.
Mortgage - what happens if you don't.
> Besides, don't they just throw you in jail indefinitely if you have no
> money? These are banks we're talking about here; they *always* get thei
r
> money back.
Uh, I'm pretty sure that was gone by the Victorian era.
> 2. House prices appear to start at around £300,000 or so. The very
best,
> most unobtainable jobs pay £30,000/year. That's a pretty friggin h
uge gap.
You need a better job.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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Invisible wrote:
> What, no solar power?
How much solar power do you think it gets from outside the solar system?
I'm not even sure there are solar panels on Voyager at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Voyager.jpg
I don't see any. There's a big lump of something radioactive that keeps a
thermojunction warm.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
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Invisible wrote:
>>> There is apparently something wrong with my brain. When I come home
>>> from a dance class absolutely dripping with sweat and gasping for
>>> breath, I find myself thinking "yeah, that was a really great
>>> evening". It's like I *enjoy* hurting myself. o_O
>>
>> Indeed.
>
> But, dude... that doesn't even MAKE SENSE! >_<
Yes it does. You're not hurting yourself. You're just exercising.
Think about what it would mean to your evolution if every time you ran away
real hard or chased something so hard it made you sweat, you said "Wow, that
sucks, I'm gonna try to avoid that in the future."
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
I ordered stamps from Zazzle that read "Place Stamp Here".
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