On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:58:24 +0100, Invisible wrote:

> Thanks to DRM, I get to buy the same product for 10x the price.

And in some cases, you get to buy it more than once.

Jim

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On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:03:53 +0200, scott wrote:

> Anyway, sit back and feel comforted that your extra donations to the
> record companies mean they can charge the rest of us a tiny bit less for
> everything else they sell

Except that they don't.  I remember when CDs came out, they talked about 
how much less expensive it was to produce CDs than cassettes, and the 
initial marketing (which drove adoption) was that CDs *would* be cheaper 
than cassettes.

Yet cassettes tended in the $6-$8 range IIRC, but CDs never really 
dropped below $15 (for first run, obviously clearance stuff was reduced 
below that).

Jim

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On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:47:11 -0400, SharkD wrote:

> On 10/18/2009 2:03 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 02:18:04 -0400, SharkD wrote:
>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SharkD/Bugzilla
>>
>> Yay, you submitted bugs.  Still not sure what point you're trying to
>> make.....or are you just trolling the OSS people here?  Because if you
>> are, I'll happily ignore your posts.
>>
>> Jim
> 
> Who's trolling exactly?

You haven't answered my question about what your point is.....I'm still 
waiting.

Jim

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On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 04:46:39 -0400, SharkD wrote:

> On 10/18/2009 3:40 PM, Warp wrote:
>> SharkD<mik### [at] gmailcom>  wrote:
>>> Oh, and I forgot these:
>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SharkD/Bugzilla
>>
>>    So open source software often contains bugs. What shocking news! I
>>    had
>> no idea.
> 
> The point is not that I submitted bug reports; rather it is that I
> submitted patches for several of them and they never got implemented. I
> suspect because only Internet Explorer was affected, and the devs don't
> use it.

Not all patches get accepted.  Fact of life, could be any number of 
reasons why they weren't accepted.

Jim

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>> Thanks to DRM, I get to buy the same product for 10x the price.
> 
> And in some cases, you get to buy it more than once.

Heh, that's why I don't buy DRM-protected content. ;-)

Actually, I'm currently buying content again for a different reason: 
replacing VHS with DVD. But at least here you're getting something for 
your money. (Do you have any idea how long it takes to rewind a VHS 
tape?? Or how grainy the picture is?)

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On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:04:33 +0100, Invisible wrote:

>>> Thanks to DRM, I get to buy the same product for 10x the price.
>> 
>> And in some cases, you get to buy it more than once.
> 
> Heh, that's why I don't buy DRM-protected content. ;-)

Same here.  There's not much audio-wise that I find worth it.  I think 
the last music CDs we purchased were the complete LOTR soundtrack discs.

> Actually, I'm currently buying content again for a different reason:
> replacing VHS with DVD. But at least here you're getting something for
> your money. (Do you have any idea how long it takes to rewind a VHS
> tape?? Or how grainy the picture is?)

Answer to both questions in the parenthetical is "yes". :-)  This is 
something where I'm OK with re-buying the content, because I'm paying for 
the improved quality.  Same thing with buying CDs to replace cassettes.  
But buying MP3s to replace CDs?  No, I'll rip 'em myself, thanks.

Jim

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>>>> Thanks to DRM, I get to buy the same product for 10x the price.
>>> And in some cases, you get to buy it more than once.
>> Heh, that's why I don't buy DRM-protected content. ;-)
> 
> Same here.  There's not much audio-wise that I find worth it.  I think 
> the last music CDs we purchased were the complete LOTR soundtrack discs.

I bought Natasha Beggingfield. Not the ones with the rootkit, fortunately...

> Answer to both questions in the parenthetical is "yes". :-)  This is 
> something where I'm OK with re-buying the content, because I'm paying for 
> the improved quality.  Same thing with buying CDs to replace cassettes.  
> But buying MP3s to replace CDs?  No, I'll rip 'em myself, thanks.

Buy MP3s, which are by definition lower quality than CDs? Heh, I don't 
think so. ;-)

(But then, I use Ogg Vorbis anyway...)

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On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:23:26 +0100, Invisible wrote:

>>>>> Thanks to DRM, I get to buy the same product for 10x the price.
>>>> And in some cases, you get to buy it more than once.
>>> Heh, that's why I don't buy DRM-protected content. ;-)
>> 
>> Same here.  There's not much audio-wise that I find worth it.  I think
>> the last music CDs we purchased were the complete LOTR soundtrack
>> discs.
> 
> I bought Natasha Beggingfield. Not the ones with the rootkit,
> fortunately...

Another of the reasons I don't tend to buy music CDs any more - you never 
know what they've included software-wise on the disc.  Running Linux, I 
don't need to worry about it too much, but still, I don't like giving 
money to companies that do things I don't consider to be right/ethical.

>> Answer to both questions in the parenthetical is "yes". :-)  This is
>> something where I'm OK with re-buying the content, because I'm paying
>> for the improved quality.  Same thing with buying CDs to replace
>> cassettes. But buying MP3s to replace CDs?  No, I'll rip 'em myself,
>> thanks.
> 
> Buy MP3s, which are by definition lower quality than CDs? Heh, I don't
> think so. ;-)

Exactly.  The value-add there is....?  (Some would say "portability", but 
I have that with ripping my CDs, so there's no added value).

> (But then, I use Ogg Vorbis anyway...)

I need to look into that and see how it compares on my iPod.  Rockbox is 
supposed to be able to play the format...

Jim

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>> I bought Natasha Beggingfield. Not the ones with the rootkit,
>> fortunately...
> 
> Another of the reasons I don't tend to buy music CDs any more - you never 
> know what they've included software-wise on the disc.  Running Linux, I 
> don't need to worry about it too much, but still, I don't like giving 
> money to companies that do things I don't consider to be right/ethical.

Just need to turn off AutoPlay. But still, it's not very ethical to 
hijack somebody else's property to protect your own interests. (In other 
situations I believe that's called "theft".) And it's not like it's 
going to stop the geniune criminals - only the paying customers.

>> Buy MP3s, which are by definition lower quality than CDs? Heh, I don't
>> think so. ;-)
> 
> Exactly.  The value-add there is....?  (Some would say "portability", but 
> I have that with ripping my CDs, so there's no added value).

Indeed.

>> (But then, I use Ogg Vorbis anyway...)
> 
> I need to look into that and see how it compares on my iPod.  Rockbox is 
> supposed to be able to play the format...

RockBox plays that format on my iAudio M5L... but then so did the 
manufacturer's original firmware. ;-)

Personally, I use CDex for ripping. Put in a disk, tell it what the 
tracks are called, hit rip. It generates the Vorbis files, names them, 
and encodes the metadata into them. Copy and play...

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scott wrote:
> 
> Users benefit from DRM by getting the same product for cheaper, it's
> just most don't realise this.
> 

They (yes, they) wondered why selling music online was so hard at first.
They offered the same piece of music on lower quality (lossful packing)
 and with DRM on the same price as a real, non-DRM'd CD. I don't know
online-prices today, since I'm not intrested (it's still lossful packing
and I want the physical media to put on my CD-self, not to mention if
the booklet has lyrics, pics etc).

-Aero

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