Slime wrote:
> What platform are you used to, PC? 

Generally, altho I've played Bioshock thru 4 or 5 times, so I know it's not 
just my ham-fistedness.

> You might just need to be slower with the joystick.

I can see in the window. I move the joystick a tiny bit, and I can see him 
turn the wheel all the way to the side. Now I have to steer by tap-tapping 
the stick a short time.

> Controls aside, the game is very frustrating. The lack of save points is 
> very painful, especially during some of the later missions.

That'll probably be a deal-breaker for me if it goes on, as I usually have a 
scheduled amount of time to play a game, rather than sitting down for as 
long as I like. :-)

  In fact, I don't
> think I would play another GTA game unless that specific point were 
> addressed.
> 
>  - Slime
>  [ http://www.slimeland.com/ ] 
> 
> 


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Chambers wrote:
> I don't think there was a single mission I had to attempt more than 10 
> times*, 

I think 10 attempts is way the heck too often, *especially* for a sandbox game.

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Darren New wrote:
> Chambers wrote:
>> I don't think there was a single mission I had to attempt more than 10 
>> times*, 
> 
> I think 10 attempts is way the heck too often, *especially* for a 
> sandbox game.
> 

It's not that bad for most of the missions.  The main thing is that 
there are so many things to do, most people won't be great at *all* of 
them.  Some missions I was really good at and breezed through, others I 
had to attempt multiple times.

...Chambers

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>  Driv3r is completely unplayable. I cannot pass even the first level.

So I dug out this game over the weekend and had a drive about.

What do you mean by the first level?  Maybe my version is different.  On my 
version the first level you had to drive to the police station and do a 
basic firing test by shooting at dummy boards.  It was incredibly easy even 
though I hadn't got used to the mouse aim controls yet.  After that the next 
level was to drive to some building, shoot 3 or 4 people (again, they were 
really not good at shooting and I killed them all without losing much 
health).  Then next some guy drove off in a car and you had to follow him. 
My car seemed to be slightly faster than his (I would be gradually catching 
him up when going straight), but I had to be careful when turning not to hit 
in to stuff to let him get away.  I found the best tactic was to actually 
stay a certain distance behind him, then you are more prepared to take the 
turn without crashing.

I used the keyboard for control, and really thought it was quite similar to 
the original Driver controls (although I haven't played that for ages). 
After a few corners it was quite easy to get the hang of sliding nicely 
(using the handbrake or burn-out key to induce the slide...).  The only 
annoying thing is even on max draw distance things still pop up relatively 
close to you, which can be quite a problem when going fast.

It was a blast for 30 mins or so, but not really any long term appeal for 
me.

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scott <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> What do you mean by the first level?  Maybe my version is different.  On my 
> version the first level you had to drive to the police station and do a 
> basic firing test by shooting at dummy boards.

  The first level of actual gameplay. I don't count that tutorial intro as
the first level. The first level is the first car chase.

> Then next some guy drove off in a car and you had to follow him. 
> My car seemed to be slightly faster than his (I would be gradually catching 
> him up when going straight), but I had to be careful when turning not to hit 
> in to stuff to let him get away.  I found the best tactic was to actually 
> stay a certain distance behind him, then you are more prepared to take the 
> turn without crashing.

  I tried that at least 100 times, both with the keyboard+mouse and a
gamepad. I could not complete it.

  I am quite experienced gamer, I have played the first Driver through, as
well as other similar games, without problems.

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>  I tried that at least 100 times, both with the keyboard+mouse and a
> gamepad. I could not complete it.

You mean this mission:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmf134aqdcI

The one before that you have to follow the police to the siege, so you can't 
have been that bad at driving :-)

OOC why did you lose him?  DId you crash into other cars/buildings or just 
slow down too much for the corners?

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scott <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> OOC why did you lose him?  DId you crash into other cars/buildings or just 
> slow down too much for the corners?

  The car is basically uncontrollable. Drifting is extremely hard, you
very easily lose control of the car, if you touch a wall of anything you
are very likely to turn around 180 degrees, if you collide with anything
head-on you are screwed, the car can get turned upside down very easily,
the bad guy's car takes a random route around the city and other cars
appear randomly (so it's impossible to practice and memorize the exact
route), and the game is completely unforgiving about the bad guy getting
even some distance from you.

  I tried at least 100 times, and couldn't get even to one third of the
way (as shown in that youtube video). Most of the time I just crashed at
the very beginning, either on that narrow alley or on a tree right outside,
other times I got farther, but due to the uncontrollability of the car and
the completely random route, I always ended up colliding head-on with walls,
lamp posts or other cars. The game is completely unforgiving about collisions.
If you collide, you are screwed.

  And I have played the first Driver, and other similar car games, such as
Midtown Madness (1 and 2). No problems with those.

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