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Darren New wrote:
> John VanSickle wrote:
>> Whites predominate in ice hockey due to pervasive discrimination.
>
> I saw a very funny black comedian. He said he doesn't like hockey,
> because it's a bunch of white guys skating around on white ice. "The
> only black thing in the whole game is the puck." He then went on to
> point out how the best *golf* player is Tiger Woods.
Who is, as most people know, Cablinasian, that is, a mixture of
Caucasian, black, Native American, and asian.
Some have gone so far as to argue that the reason Tiger is such a good
player is because he is a mixture of different racial groups, and that
the actual ingredients are actually moot.
There is some evidence in support of this. A study of children in
Hawaii, specifically children who were of mixed Japanese and Caucasian
ancestry, revealed that their IQs were about points higher than the
average of their backgrounds.
In another study, it was revealed that after correcting for factors such
as wealth, the children born in America of Italian immigrants were on
average a few inches taller than their cohorts back in Italy. It turned
out that the immigrants, while indeed marrying other Italian immigrants,
were often marrying someone who had not grow up in the next village
over, but on the other side of the country. This alone broadened the
gene pool enough to ensure a significantly higher level of health among
the resultant children.
Regards,
John
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John VanSickle <evi### [at] hotmail com> wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
> > John VanSickle wrote:
> >> Whites predominate in ice hockey due to pervasive discrimination.
> >
> > I saw a very funny black comedian. He said he doesn't like hockey,
> > because it's a bunch of white guys skating around on white ice. "The
> > only black thing in the whole game is the puck." He then went on to
> > point out how the best *golf* player is Tiger Woods.
> Who is, as most people know, Cablinasian, that is, a mixture of
> Caucasian, black, Native American, and asian.
Yet many people just call him "black".
Or take Barack Obama, for instance. Many people say he is "the first
black president of the US". No he, isn't. He is exactly as much white as
he his black.
It somehow feels like being "black" is more inherited than being white.
I have heard that sometimes it goes so far that if one of your grandparents
was black (and everyone else white), you are still considered "black".
I don't get it.
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- Warp
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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>
> Yet many people just call him "black".
>
> Or take Barack Obama, for instance. Many people say he is "the first
> black president of the US". No he, isn't. He is exactly as much white as
> he his black.
>
> It somehow feels like being "black" is more inherited than being white.
> I have heard that sometimes it goes so far that if one of your grandparents
> was black (and everyone else white), you are still considered "black".
>
> I don't get it.
>
> --
Funnily enough, when I was working in Jamaica. You were considered to be white
if you had white ancestors.
Stephen
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John VanSickle wrote:
> Who is, as most people know, Cablinasian, that is, a mixture of
> Caucasian, black, Native American, and asian.
Yes, but in America, that makes you black. Americans wants native american
(indian) land, so you had to be mostly indian to lay a claim to it. On the
other hand, Americans wanted black slaves, so if you're even a tiny bit
black, you're "black".
> Some have gone so far as to argue that the reason Tiger is such a good
> player is because he is a mixture of different racial groups, and that
> the actual ingredients are actually moot.
No. The reason he's good is he actually exercises and practices. He lifts
weights on his way to the competitions. Just look at him standing next to
Phil Michaelson. Plus, he's been doing it since he was like 3 years old.
Plus, of course, he has this awesome drive to not only win, but to kick your
butt while doing so. Odd that he picked a sport as non-competitive as golf.
While I'm sure his genes may have had something to do with it, it's probably
a tiny part of his advantage, methinks.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"We'd like you to back-port all the changes in 2.0
back to version 1.0."
"We've done that already. We call it 2.0."
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Warp wrote:
> It somehow feels like being "black" is more inherited than being white.
> I don't get it.
The whites set the rules. If you were a little black, you could be a slave.
Simple, really.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"We'd like you to back-port all the changes in 2.0
back to version 1.0."
"We've done that already. We call it 2.0."
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > It somehow feels like being "black" is more inherited than being white.
> > I don't get it.
> The whites set the rules. If you were a little black, you could be a slave.
> Simple, really.
I certainly do understand that some hundreds of years ago when oppressive
slavery and extreme ideological racism was prevalent in the US, that is,
when non-whites were considered inferior races, people who had non-white
ancestors were considered "less pure" than people who had only white
ansestors. In other words, in this ideology if one of your grand-grandparents
was non-white, you were partially "non-pure", and thus almost as bad as a
black person. Thus certainly if one of your parents was black, you were
considered as "inferior" as your parent, and thus black. Your "white half"
had not much significance in this: You were still "impure".
But this is more the reason why I'm completely baffled about the modern
custom of calling people "black" if one of their parents, or even grandparents
is black. This is a reminder of the times of ideological racism and slavery,
and it's precisely what we want to eradicate. Considering "blackness" as
"more inherited" than "whiteness" is racism in its purest form, both
historically and ideologically.
IMO racism will never be eradicated as long as a mulatto is considered
"black" and things like this are allowed to exist:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Black_Journalists
(Imagine the outcry if there was a "National Association of White
Journalists".)
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> But this is more the reason why I'm completely baffled about the modern
> custom of calling people "black" if one of their parents, or even grandparents
> is black. This is a reminder of the times of ideological racism and slavery,
> and it's precisely what we want to eradicate. Considering "blackness" as
> "more inherited" than "whiteness" is racism in its purest form, both
> historically and ideologically.
Yep. Nowadays, it can serve as an excuse for failure, or a source of pride
(as in, blacks are proud of the accomplishments of Tiger Woods), or a door
into affirmative action.
Interestingly enough, there were a number of black pundits and spokespeople
claiming Barak Obama isn't black because his African parent was actually
born in Africa or something. Basically, his ancestors were never slaves, so
he isn't really an African-American.
You may be under the mistaken impression that people don't *want* to be
racist. They simply don't want *other* people to be racist against *them*.
> (Imagine the outcry if there was a "National Association of White
> Journalists".)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_Whites
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"We'd like you to back-port all the changes in 2.0
back to version 1.0."
"We've done that already. We call it 2.0."
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Interestingly enough, there were a number of black pundits and spokespeople
> claiming Barak Obama isn't black because his African parent was actually
> born in Africa or something. Basically, his ancestors were never slaves, so
> he isn't really an African-American.
How does that make any sense?
> > (Imagine the outcry if there was a "National Association of White
> > Journalists".)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_Whites
I suppose that when the naming is humoristic enough, the big public
will let it pass... :)
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- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> Interestingly enough, there were a number of black pundits and spokespeople
>> claiming Barak Obama isn't black because his African parent was actually
>> born in Africa or something. Basically, his ancestors were never slaves, so
>> he isn't really an African-American.
>
> How does that make any sense?
I'm not sure it does. I think many people thought it didn't make sense.
> I suppose that when the naming is humoristic enough, the big public
> will let it pass... :)
No, actually, there was quite a shit-storm, with lots of peole screaming for
heads or at least expulsion for even suggesting such a thing.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"We'd like you to back-port all the changes in 2.0
back to version 1.0."
"We've done that already. We call it 2.0."
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> > I suppose that when the naming is humoristic enough, the big public
> > will let it pass... :)
> No, actually, there was quite a shit-storm, with lots of peole screaming for
> heads or at least expulsion for even suggesting such a thing.
I see. The wikipedia article just didn't mention anything like that.
Well, I suppose it goes to prove that taboos are still based on the skin
color of who breaks them, which is sad, really.
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- Warp
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