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WARNING: Don't watch this video unless you have an IQ of about
140...you're guaranteed to lose 30-40 points just by watching this video
(or so the friend of mine who posted this claims)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF3L359yKjs
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF3L359yKjs
If nothing else, it's an example of
1) Not understanding that bananas are far from how they were created, and
2) Not understanding how and why fruit evolves.
But you want to hear something really weird? You know who was the first
person to be diagnosed with Lou Gehrig's Disease? It was Lou Gehrig! How
freaky is that??
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Insanity is a small city on the western
border of the State of Mind.
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Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF3L359yKjs
>
> If nothing else, it's an example of
> 1) Not understanding that bananas are far from how they were created, and
> 2) Not understanding how and why fruit evolves.
>
>
> But you want to hear something really weird? You know who was the first
> person to be diagnosed with Lou Gehrig's Disease? It was Lou Gehrig!
> How freaky is that??
>
Its not the only issue Mr. Comfort has. He is a grade A kook, and just
"loves" to get things dead wrong. One of his latest idiocies is an
"edited" version of Darwin's Origin of Species, which includes his own
personal "introduction". PZ Myers, biologist, unapologetic atheist and,
at times, writer of far more rants about the sort of stupid this man
does than science articles, stated this:
"It's like a book with multiple personality disorder -- two parts that
absolutely hate each other; an intro that is the inane product of one of
the most stupid minds of our century, and a science text that is the
product of one of the greatest minds of the author's century." PZ Myers,
biologist and associate professor at the University of Minnesota, Morris
He is currently looking for someone to write a forward to his mangled
book. lol He also, for no reason I can imagine, actually "has" that
quote on his website, on the page where he babbles about finding someone
to write his forward for him.
Another nice example of the man's logic (or rather total lack of any):
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/03/elephantine_errors_from_ray_co.php
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Its not the only issue Mr. Comfort has. He is a grade A kook,
Well, sure.
Actually, the first one in this I just stumbled across expresses what I was
saying quite nicely:
http://www.dbskeptic.com/2008/09/26/five-atheist-logic-tests-and-how-to-pass-them-a-skeptical-response-to-how-to-make-an-atheist-backslide/
I also liked the argument that God must like gay sex, with a set of similar
arguments to the banana argument that I don't think need to be repeated here.
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rr com> wrote:
>
http://www.dbskeptic.com/2008/09/26/five-atheist-logic-tests-and-how-to-pass-them-a-skeptical-response-to-how-to-make-an-atheist-backslide/
Some atheists do this same thing in reverse: They try to smartly debunk
christianity and the bible, and do so by abusing similar principles, ie.
distorting what christianity and the bible say, making false presumptions
and outright straw men, and then basing questions on those invalid premises,
and so on.
I especially like the video called "10 questions that every intelligent
Christian must answer". It's completely full of fallacious argumentation,
but cleverly laid out by the authors so that most fellow atheists will be
mistaken into a false feeling that the video is actually proving some valid
points. Even atheists succumb to confirmation bias: They are more likely to
believe false statements when those statements confirm their own beliefs.
In this regard many of them are not much better than religious people.
(Btw, that was not a statement about whether I believe God as taught by
Christianity exists or not or whether the bible is the truth or not. It was
a purely objective observation about the subject.)
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On 4-7-2009 9:47, Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] san rr com> wrote:
>>
http://www.dbskeptic.com/2008/09/26/five-atheist-logic-tests-and-how-to-pass-them-a-skeptical-response-to-how-to-make-an-atheist-backslide/
>
> Some atheists do this same thing in reverse: They try to smartly debunk
> christianity and the bible, and do so by abusing similar principles, ie.
> distorting what christianity and the bible say, making false presumptions
> and outright straw men, and then basing questions on those invalid premises,
> and so on.
>
> I especially like the video called "10 questions that every intelligent
> Christian must answer".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ
> It's completely full of fallacious argumentation,
Why don't you point them out? I think it is horrible, very American, and
assuming a type of religion that is not very common among European
intellectuals, but that does not make the arguments false. In fact there
is not much argumentation in this video, that is mostly left to the
audience. Or is that what you are objection to? Anyway, I think that the
banana proof and the elephants are in a whole different ball park.
> but cleverly laid out by the authors so that most fellow atheists will be
> mistaken into a false feeling that the video is actually proving some valid
> points. Even atheists succumb to confirmation bias: They are more likely to
> believe false statements when those statements confirm their own beliefs.
> In this regard many of them are not much better than religious people.
A couple of remark inspired by the video: The first few 'question'
center around prayer. If you don't believe in prayer this will make no
sense. I don't know how common it is for Americans to believe that
prayer really helps, among the Christians that I know, it is AFAIK
uncommon. (Though there was recently a book that claimed that you could
get everything that you wanted if you visualized it every day and that
was also popular here. Forgot the name.) Aside, some people say that
praying to God to get (material) things is a sin against the second
commandment, they might have a point.
Then follow a few things about selective usage of verses. Again if you
don't claim that everything in the bible is the Truth that won't make
any sense. It may come as a shock (at least it shocked me when I first
noted it in real life) but there are people who seriously believe that.
The remarks in this video are directed against those people. The bible
is internally inconsistent, inconsistent with laws and constitutions of
every western country, and inconsistent with science (though the
examples may not be the most convincing). I think that if someone claims
that every word in the bible is True, it is a reasonable to ask how that
person handles all the inconsistencies. I also know that by definition
no answer will ever satisfy the person asking.
Interesting thing is also that the examples are mainly from the
old-testament and thus would be equally valid for jews and muslims. Yet
the title only mentions Christians. Yet another example that the maker
of this video is not able to abstract from his own cultural environment
and attacking the world at large assuming everybody thinks like he
assumes his neighbours think. All in all I think it is very shallow and
hardly convincing. I don't think I would have listened to more than 30
seconds of it if you would not have recommended it.
> (Btw, that was not a statement about whether I believe God as taught by
> Christianity exists or not or whether the bible is the truth or not. It was
> a purely objective observation about the subject.)
sure
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On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:47:08 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF3L359yKjs
>
> If nothing else, it's an example of
> 1) Not understanding that bananas are far from how they were created,
> and 2) Not understanding how and why fruit evolves.
Very true....
> But you want to hear something really weird? You know who was the first
> person to be diagnosed with Lou Gehrig's Disease? It was Lou Gehrig!
> How freaky is that??
LOL
Jim
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Warp wrote:
> distorting what christianity and the bible say,
To be fair, you probably see a different bunch of christians than the
outspoken atheists do. Here we have regular problems with christians passing
discriminatory laws and such, based on the belief that you are evil if not
christian and the belief that the bible is 100% true and correct.
When they start teaching the Earth is 6000 years old, and fire biology
teachers that mention evolution, and murder doctors that do what they think
the bible says they shouldn't, in *your* country, let me know what the straw
man is.
Oh, and let me know when the Pope thinks atheists are human, again.
> I especially like the video called "10 questions that every intelligent
> Christian must answer". It's completely full of fallacious argumentation,
It's only fallacious if you don't assume a literal reading of the bible and
so on. I mean, we have a really big number of people here who really think
the universe is only 6000 years old.
Honestly, I think most of these arguments are pointless, since the entire
idea behind religion is to be irrational if not illogical. Making arguments
like this isn't going to change the mind of atheists *or* the faithful. All
the arguments are old and tired, and if you[1] already believe you know
God's will enough to enforce your views on others, yet God's will is too
ineffable to understand, then pointing out fallacies in your logic isn't
going to help.
[1] Generic "you" here, not "You, Warp". :-)
> Even atheists succumb to confirmation bias: They are more likely to
> believe false statements when those statements confirm their own beliefs.
Well, of course. That's why people invented science.
> In this regard many of them are not much better than religious people.
Atheists are better than the faithful in this sense because atheists *know*
they have confirmation bias.
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border of the State of Mind.
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> WARNING: Don't watch this video unless you have an IQ of about
> 140...you're guaranteed to lose 30-40 points just by watching this video
> (or so the friend of mine who posted this claims)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF3L359yKjs
>
I was sure it was satire until I read teh rest of this thread
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On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:36:01 -0400, Jim Charter wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> WARNING: Don't watch this video unless you have an IQ of about
>> 140...you're guaranteed to lose 30-40 points just by watching this
>> video (or so the friend of mine who posted this claims)
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF3L359yKjs
>>
> I was sure it was satire until I read teh rest of this thread
My first thought was that it had to be some form of humour, but yeah, it
does seem like the guy is serious...
Jim
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