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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Gah! Thank god I use RAID 1..
Date: 2 Mar 2009 06:25:30
Message: <49abc22a$1@news.povray.org>
>> I would backup by data - but what exactly do you back 200GB up onto?
>> Besides, most of it isn't very valuable data.
> 
> Most of what I backup is photos. The rest is coding projects, lots of POV, odd
> documents... As for where to - external HD, of course.

Uhuh. And this second HD is less likely to fail... why, exactly?


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Gah! Thank god I use RAID 1..
Date: 2 Mar 2009 06:51:45
Message: <49abc851$1@news.povray.org>
>> Most of what I backup is photos. The rest is coding projects, lots of 
>> POV, odd
>> documents... As for where to - external HD, of course.
>
> Uhuh. And this second HD is less likely to fail... why, exactly?

The point is that in order to lose your data, the 2nd drive needs to fail 
after the 1st one has failed but before you have a chance to copy back the 
data to the replacement, so maybe 3 or 4 days.  The probability of that 
happening is much less than a single drive failing at some point.  If you 
are really paranoid, then just buy 2 external HDs (different brands might be 
a good idea), they are ridiculously cheap nowadays anyway.


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Gah! Thank god I use RAID 1..
Date: 2 Mar 2009 07:20:00
Message: <web.49abce7f47263f826dd25f0b0@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> I would backup by data - but what exactly do you back 200GB up onto?
> >> Besides, most of it isn't very valuable data.
> >
> > Most of what I backup is photos. The rest is coding projects, lots of POV, odd
> > documents... As for where to - external HD, of course.
>
> Uhuh. And this second HD is less likely to fail... why, exactly?

Well, I guess some drives fail arbitrarily, but I would think a drive that gets
hammered constantly is more likely to fail than one that just gets one long
write sequence every week.

And, what Scott said.

(okay, so maybe 'paranoiacally frequently' was innaccurate, especially compared
with RAID...:)!)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Gah! Thank god I use RAID 1..
Date: 2 Mar 2009 07:25:25
Message: <49abd035@news.povray.org>
>>>> I would backup by data - but what exactly do you back 200GB up onto?
>>>> Besides, most of it isn't very valuable data.
>>> Most of what I backup is photos. The rest is coding projects, lots of POV, odd
>>> documents... As for where to - external HD, of course.
>> Uhuh. And this second HD is less likely to fail... why, exactly?
> 
> Well, I guess some drives fail arbitrarily, but I would think a drive that gets
> hammered constantly is more likely to fail than one that just gets one long
> write sequence every week.
> 
> And, what Scott said.
> 
> (okay, so maybe 'paranoiacally frequently' was innaccurate, especially compared
> with RAID...:)!)

I was under the impression that power cycles stress a HD more than 
regular use... But hey, having duplicate copies has gotta be better than 
not having them I guess.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Gah! Thank god I use RAID 1..
Date: 2 Mar 2009 11:26:20
Message: <49ac08ac$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
> of that happening is much less than a single drive failing at some 
> point. 

Especially if the second drive is only turned on for backups (like a USB 
drive, for example).

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   My fortune cookie said, "You will soon be
   unable to read this, even at arm's length."


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From: Mike Hough
Subject: Re: Gah! Thank god I use RAID 1..
Date: 2 Mar 2009 15:42:10
Message: <49ac44a2@news.povray.org>
"[GDS|Entropy]" <gds### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message 
news:49ab6fcb@news.povray.org...
> Sweet!
> Thanks for the info.
> I have to work on this machine in its current state until I can get a 
> drive tomorrow, but its creeping slow...will I mess anything up by 
> continuing to use it in this state, or installing stuff?

Should not matter. When you mirror you are just creating a copy of the 
current drive state.

However, keep in mind that the chance of total failure was much lower with 
two drives than you have now with one.

Mike


> ian
>
> "Mike Hough" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message 
> news:49ab6a09$1@news.povray.org...
>>> I have another open HDD bay, can I add another SATA HDD to the RAID1 
>>> matrix, or do I need two more?
>>
>> You should be able to plug in a new drive and mirror the one that still 
>> works to rebuild the array. Just make sure you select the right one to 
>> mirror :)
>>
>> I have gone through about 3 drives in the last 4 years and just mirror 
>> the data each time, along with occasional backups of important files onto 
>> DVD.
>>
>
>


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From: [GDS|Entropy]
Subject: Re: Gah! Thank god I use RAID 1..
Date: 2 Mar 2009 16:08:57
Message: <49ac4ae9$1@news.povray.org>
Its cool now, I've replaced my dead(?) drive.
When my system recovered from a critical error, which is when this happened, 
microsoft said it was caused by my AV. Is it possible that my HDD isn't 
really dead?

If it is still chill, I'm going to throw it back in the matrix with my new 
one, so I'll have 3.
Anyone know anything about that? MSs' description was kinda dubiously 
ambiguous.

I think I'm going to get two of those nice WD 1Tb RAID 1 mirrored external 
USB units, crap, they are only $199 at tiger direct now, they would be 
perfect.

ian

"Mike Hough" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message 
news:49ac44a2@news.povray.org...
> "[GDS|Entropy]" <gds### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message 
> news:49ab6fcb@news.povray.org...
>> Sweet!
>> Thanks for the info.
>> I have to work on this machine in its current state until I can get a 
>> drive tomorrow, but its creeping slow...will I mess anything up by 
>> continuing to use it in this state, or installing stuff?
>
> Should not matter. When you mirror you are just creating a copy of the 
> current drive state.
>
> However, keep in mind that the chance of total failure was much lower with 
> two drives than you have now with one.
>
> Mike
>
>
>> ian
>>
>> "Mike Hough" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message 
>> news:49ab6a09$1@news.povray.org...
>>>> I have another open HDD bay, can I add another SATA HDD to the RAID1 
>>>> matrix, or do I need two more?
>>>
>>> You should be able to plug in a new drive and mirror the one that still 
>>> works to rebuild the array. Just make sure you select the right one to 
>>> mirror :)
>>>
>>> I have gone through about 3 drives in the last 4 years and just mirror 
>>> the data each time, along with occasional backups of important files 
>>> onto DVD.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


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From: Saul Luizaga
Subject: Re: Gah! Thank god I use RAID 1..
Date: 3 Mar 2009 14:38:41
Message: <49ad8741$1@news.povray.org>
If you use Windows or another OS with Power Management make the HHDs 
sleep after 10 mins of inactivity, that a check with a diag program like 
everest (www.lavalys.com) to see the temp of them, if they're above 40, 
buy them HDDs coolers, but you must be careful: if the coolers have no 
shor-circuit protection (like the ones in my country) the moment the 
fans stop spinning they will short-circuited probably damaging your 
power supply, but if the coolers have the protection you are OK.

I tell the user if you hear a weird sound call me, is time to 
re-lubricate the HDD coolers' fans and you are fine for another year or so.


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Gah! Thank god I use RAID 1..
Date: 3 Mar 2009 15:02:21
Message: <49ad8ccd@news.povray.org>
Saul Luizaga wrote:
> If you use Windows or another OS with Power Management make the HHDs
> sleep after 10 mins of inactivity

There is no such thing as "inactivity" on my computer.


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From: Saul Luizaga
Subject: Re: Gah! Thank god I use RAID 1..
Date: 4 Mar 2009 11:11:05
Message: <49aea819@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Saul Luizaga wrote:
>> If you use Windows or another OS with Power Management make the HHDs
>> sleep after 10 mins of inactivity
> 
> There is no such thing as "inactivity" on my computer.
hahaha, well my friend you could then try to buy a HDD that spins slower 
  to avoid rapid wear off, cheers :)


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