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On 13 Feb 2009 16:20:53 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospam com> wrote:
>On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:12:23 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> On 13 Feb 2009 13:04:40 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>>
>>>Good man. :-) I didn't think I'd caused offense, but with a one-word
>>>answer it's hard to tell.
>>>
>> True ;)
>
>Far easier with the smiley. ;-)
>
More effect without :)
>
>I wonder if mine is some sort of RSI; I type a *lot*, and I type quite
>fast as well (I've been clocked at 90-120 WPM when I'm "in a groove") -
>my coworkers are still surprised at how quickly I can type.
>
Try aspirin or ibuprofen or a graphics tablet. I don't get problems with typing
but with mouse work.
>Comes from back in my days programming - in my head, I'd be a few lines
>ahead of where my fingers were typing and my speed increased in order to
>keep up with my brain. Strangely, though, I don't do so well if I have
>to type numbers with text. I can do 10-key very quickly as well, but
>mixing alpha and numeric slows me down considerably.
>
I learned to type on a TTY so I am slow.
>> We are here to serve :)
>
>I'll take a two-piece fish & chips meal, then, served in the traditional
>way. ;-)
>
In England that is just Fish and chips, wrapped or open. In Scotland it is a
fish supper and if it is without chips it is a single fish and you get two.
--
Regards
Stephen
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Jim Henderson wrote:
>
> Ah, I've never driven a 6-speed vehicle. From higher gears it would
> probably be less of an issue,
It's not that different from a 5-speeder, with which I'd probably go
5-4-2 or 5-3-2.
OTOH with my own car (that summertoy I wrecked, Saab 9000) I've done
1-2-5 a lot when accelerating to 80km/h.
> but dropping from 3 to 1 can redline the
> engine, at least IME.
At least usually yes, at least if you're not running on very low revs on 3.
> Yes, effective use of the clutch in that type of situation would also
> help - since it would engage/disengage the engine from the drivetrain.
It would've been wise thing to at first stage, while then I wouldn't had
to get traction back nor wait for it, 'cause I wouldn't had lost it at
first place.
> Jim
-Aero
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:32:11 +0200, Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>
>> Ah, I've never driven a 6-speed vehicle. From higher gears it would
>> probably be less of an issue,
>
> It's not that different from a 5-speeder, with which I'd probably go
> 5-4-2 or 5-3-2.
>
> OTOH with my own car (that summertoy I wrecked, Saab 9000) I've done
> 1-2-5 a lot when accelerating to 80km/h.
Most of my experience was with a 3-speed. My automatic (which I drive
now) is also a 3-speed.
On the manual, I would go from 1st to 3rd - going up gears is a bit
different than going down, going down you drive the engine revs up
dramatically.
>> but dropping from 3 to 1 can redline the engine, at least IME.
>
> At least usually yes, at least if you're not running on very low revs on
> 3.
>
>> Yes, effective use of the clutch in that type of situation would also
>> help - since it would engage/disengage the engine from the drivetrain.
>
> It would've been wise thing to at first stage, while then I wouldn't had
> to get traction back nor wait for it, 'cause I wouldn't had lost it at
> first place.
Yeah, if I drove a manual now, the clutch would be another tool I'd use.
In an automatic, you can shift to neutral with similar effect, but with a
lot less control.
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:53:30 +0200, Eero Ahonen wrote:
>
>> Yes, also on drum brakes. But why on earth would you engage brakes
>> fully, if you're not trying to stop the car as quickly as possible?
>
> Because slamming on the brakes on ice doesn't have that effect.
True, but the optimal braking with almost locked tires is pretty hard
thing to do - usually it's much wiser to just hit the brakes fully, if
you're trying to stop the car ASAP for some reason.
> Yes, but that's the reason to do that. Similarly, for going down steep
> inclines, using the engine to slow the vehicle down rather than the
> brakes keeps you from burning the brakes out.
Yes, engine braking is certainly more economical than using brakes (it
saves both brakes and fuel).
> I don't do it on ice. You can (and I can) lock the wheels driving at 50
> MPH with the brakes, but that also is likely to cause an uncontrollable
> skid - though a shorter one - and often that is more desirable than
> running into whatever it is that you're braking hard to avoid.
Yep, and the same laws work also on ice and on snow, braking distances
just grow even exponentially.
> Jim
-Aero
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:01:42 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> On 13 Feb 2009 16:20:53 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:12:23 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> On 13 Feb 2009 13:04:40 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Good man. :-) I didn't think I'd caused offense, but with a one-word
>>>>answer it's hard to tell.
>>>>
>>> True ;)
>>
>>Far easier with the smiley. ;-)
>>
> More effect without :)
Well, certainly more conversation. ;-)
>>I wonder if mine is some sort of RSI; I type a *lot*, and I type quite
>>fast as well (I've been clocked at 90-120 WPM when I'm "in a groove") -
>>my coworkers are still surprised at how quickly I can type.
>>
> Try aspirin or ibuprofen or a graphics tablet. I don't get problems with
> typing but with mouse work.
I do take ibuprofen (usually for headaches, though). I use a touchpad
rather than a mouse - I find it very difficult to use a mouse because
I've used touchpads for so long.
>>Comes from back in my days programming - in my head, I'd be a few lines
>>ahead of where my fingers were typing and my speed increased in order to
>>keep up with my brain. Strangely, though, I don't do so well if I have
>>to type numbers with text. I can do 10-key very quickly as well, but
>>mixing alpha and numeric slows me down considerably.
>>
>>
> I learned to type on a TTY so I am slow.
LOL!
>>> We are here to serve :)
>>
>>I'll take a two-piece fish & chips meal, then, served in the traditional
>>way. ;-)
>>
>>
> In England that is just Fish and chips, wrapped or open. In Scotland it
> is a fish supper and if it is without chips it is a single fish and you
> get two.
Aye, then 'tis the supper for me. ;-)
(Our local chip shop shut some months ago, no good alternatives around
now. :-( )
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
>
> LOL, now there's something that would be fun - a car that is driven
> through a neural interface.
Hm, I don't really get that. Given that the ESP know the direction the
car is going (after all, it certainly does realize if the car's going
sideways) and it should be trivial to know the steering wheel position,
ESP should be easily able to realize that the car isn't turning like the
driver means. And it does realize that, if I'll just push the throttle
to the floor and turns the car with brakes, but doesn't if I keep the
throttle steady.
> Jim
-Aero
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:40:06 +0200, Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:53:30 +0200, Eero Ahonen wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, also on drum brakes. But why on earth would you engage brakes
>>> fully, if you're not trying to stop the car as quickly as possible?
>>
>> Because slamming on the brakes on ice doesn't have that effect.
>
> True, but the optimal braking with almost locked tires is pretty hard
> thing to do - usually it's much wiser to just hit the brakes fully, if
> you're trying to stop the car ASAP for some reason.
On dry pavement I'd tend to agree, though I have been known to combine
the brakes and steering; two options, get out of the path of whatever it
is that you are going to hit (or is going to hit you) and stop as quick
as you can. Gotta be careful, though, because that kind of reaction can
cause a rollover if you're not careful. The objective is to keep all
four wheels on the ground in a situation like that - wheels in the air
don't do anything for braking or steering.
>> I don't do it on ice. You can (and I can) lock the wheels driving at
>> 50 MPH with the brakes, but that also is likely to cause an
>> uncontrollable skid - though a shorter one - and often that is more
>> desirable than running into whatever it is that you're braking hard to
>> avoid.
>
> Yep, and the same laws work also on ice and on snow, braking distances
> just grow even exponentially.
How well I know; having learned on ice and packed snow, for the first few
days on dry pavement, I misjudged stopping distances pretty badly.
Fortunately, I was a quick learner and didn't have any accidents.
Jim
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:43:28 +0200, Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>
>> LOL, now there's something that would be fun - a car that is driven
>> through a neural interface.
>
> Hm, I don't really get that. Given that the ESP know the direction the
> car is going (after all, it certainly does realize if the car's going
> sideways) and it should be trivial to know the steering wheel position,
> ESP should be easily able to realize that the car isn't turning like the
> driver means. And it does realize that, if I'll just push the throttle
> to the floor and turns the car with brakes, but doesn't if I keep the
> throttle steady.
I think we're talking about two different things....I interpreted ESP as
"Extrasensory Perception" and tied it into a neural link...you must be
talking about some other usage of the TLA "ESP". :-)
Jim
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On 13 Feb 2009 17:44:43 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> Try aspirin or ibuprofen or a graphics tablet. I don't get problems with
>> typing but with mouse work.
>
>I do take ibuprofen (usually for headaches, though). I use a touchpad
>rather than a mouse - I find it very difficult to use a mouse because
>I've used touchpads for so long.
>
Have you tried a graphics tablet? The natural feeling of using a pen takes away
a lot of the strain og using a touch pad or a mouse.
>> In England that is just Fish and chips, wrapped or open. In Scotland it
>> is a fish supper and if it is without chips it is a single fish and you
>> get two.
>
>Aye, then 'tis the supper for me. ;-)
>
Not a deep fried pizza, where the pizza is folded over and put in the deep fat
fryer?
BTW it is folded to stop the bits floating off.
>(Our local chip shop shut some months ago, no good alternatives around
>now. :-( )
Home fries?
--
Regards
Stephen
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:30:02 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> On 13 Feb 2009 17:44:43 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>
>>> Try aspirin or ibuprofen or a graphics tablet. I don't get problems
>>> with typing but with mouse work.
>>
>>I do take ibuprofen (usually for headaches, though). I use a touchpad
>>rather than a mouse - I find it very difficult to use a mouse because
>>I've used touchpads for so long.
>>
> Have you tried a graphics tablet? The natural feeling of using a pen
> takes away a lot of the strain og using a touch pad or a mouse.
I haven't, but maybe I should. :-) I'm no artist, but I have wanted to
try out a pressure-sensitive pad for various things as well. Wacom is
supposed to make pretty good ones, wonder if there's someone locally who
has one I can try out....
>>> In England that is just Fish and chips, wrapped or open. In Scotland
>>> it is a fish supper and if it is without chips it is a single fish and
>>> you get two.
>>
>>Aye, then 'tis the supper for me. ;-)
>>
> Not a deep fried pizza, where the pizza is folded over and put in the
> deep fat fryer?
Ugh, no - I do have my limits. ;-)
> BTW it is folded to stop the bits floating off.
That makes sense. Actually sounds kinda like a calzone, but deep-fried.
>>(Our local chip shop shut some months ago, no good alternatives around
>>now. :-( )
>
> Home fries?
Yeah, they used to, but had a problem with their supplier. The fish was
pretty good, but after their original place was torn down, they went into
too much debt in the new location. A real shame, because the food was
very good.
Not as good as we had in Hastings (but it's hard to get really fresh fish
here in the desert - not impossible, but it's very pricey), but still
very good.
Jim
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