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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Ok, who didn't know, or at least guess this?
Date: 27 Jan 2009 00:10:15
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http://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/2009/01/microsoft-debunks-linux-myths.html
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> http://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/2009/01/microsoft-debunks-linux-myths.html
Cause, you know, Windows hasn't done anything about security since 2002, and
Linux hasn't done anything about compatibility or usability since then
either. :-)
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> http://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/2009/01/microsoft-debunks-linux-myths.html
NEWSFLASH! - company discussing how to beat a competitor
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Ok, who didn't know, or at least guess this?
Date: 27 Jan 2009 05:10:04
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Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] npgcable com> wrote:
> http://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/2009/01/microsoft-debunks-linux-myths.html
What I don't understand is:
1) Why do some people put so much effort into assuring that linux is just
as capable as (or even moreso) than Windows? Who cares? I mean, really.
2) Why does Microsoft care about Linux, with its... what? Less than 1% market
share? And we are talking about people who, if Linux ceased to exist for
some reason, would simply switch to another free unix-like OS, eg. one of
the BSD variants or Solaris. It's not like MS would increase its customer
base by much if they somehow succeeded in destroying Linux.
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Warp escreveu:
> 2) Why does Microsoft care about Linux, with its... what? Less than 1% market
> share?
I think they are more worried about enterprise Linux server installs,
which go beyond that puny 1% mark. Even if the Linux is serving a
primarily Windows desktop network, it doesn't bode well that such
desktops are not trapped to proprietary Microsoft server solutions.
It means suddenly Visual Studio developers may be targetting MySQL or
PostgreSQL databases rather than SQL Server, for instance. Heck, they
may end up even using open-source libs rather than what's in the Windows
API if control is too loose over them... :P
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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Ok, who didn't know, or at least guess this?
Date: 27 Jan 2009 11:22:10
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nemesis <nam### [at] gmail com> wrote:
> Warp escreveu:
> > 2) Why does Microsoft care about Linux, with its... what? Less than 1% market
> > share?
> I think they are more worried about enterprise Linux server installs,
> which go beyond that puny 1% mark.
Even if 10% of companies used Linux in their servers, how much does
that mean in the total revenue of Microsoft?
I would wildly guess that at least 99% of Windows sales revenues come
from individuals, the remaining 1% from other companies. If FUD'ing the
one tenth of companies not using Windows in their servers to switch to
Windows would succeed, how much would Microsoft's revenue increase?
Something 0.1%? One thousandth of what they current get.
Big deal? I really think MS is just being paranoid and making a lot
of noise over nothing.
IMO they should invest their resources on making better products rather
than trying to gain some 0.1% of market share by dubious means, which is
only negative PR for them and can cause a backlash. You don't get a
positive image of yourself by bashing your opponents. You do it by doing
a good job and offering high-quality products, and letting your products
speak for you.
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Warp wrote:
> I would wildly guess that at least 99% of Windows sales revenues come
> from individuals, the remaining 1% from other companies. If FUD'ing the
> one tenth of companies not using Windows in their servers to switch to
> Windows would succeed, how much would Microsoft's revenue increase?
> Something 0.1%? One thousandth of what they current get.
As far as I know, M$ makes more money out of Office than Windows.
(Notice how Office only runs on Windows - and Mac OS, weirdly enough...)
Clearly Office only runs on desktops, not servers.
> Big deal? I really think MS is just being paranoid and making a lot
> of noise over nothing.
Current levels of Linux uptake don't really pose a threat. I guess M$ is
worried about what Linux might become, rather than what it is today. Who
knows what goes in in their little heads?
> IMO they should invest their resources on making better products rather
> than trying to gain some 0.1% of market share by dubious means, which is
> only negative PR for them and can cause a backlash. You don't get a
> positive image of yourself by bashing your opponents. You do it by doing
> a good job and offering high-quality products, and letting your products
> speak for you.
That isn't the way M$ does business. Typically they achieve market share
by eliminating competition rather than producing quality products.
Of course, if they *did* sit up and start making better products, that
would be nice...
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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Ok, who didn't know, or at least guess this?
Date: 27 Jan 2009 11:38:04
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Warp escreveu:
> Even if 10% of companies used Linux in their servers, how much does
> that mean in the total revenue of Microsoft?
>
> I would wildly guess that at least 99% of Windows sales revenues come
> from individuals, the remaining 1% from other companies.
Not in Brazil, and I would guess most 3rd world countries and China and
India too. We can be pretty sure these people are running Windows
desktops, save for a few degenarate nuts like me, but I doubt Microsoft
is making much money off it, at least directly. They can stop piracy at
an enterprise level, though...
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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Ok, who didn't know, or at least guess this?
Date: 27 Jan 2009 11:58:59
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Invisible wrote:
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> As far as I know, M$ makes more money out of Office than Windows.
> (Notice how Office only runs on Windows - and Mac OS, weirdly enough...)
> Clearly Office only runs on desktops, not servers.
>
Those two because supporting Office on Linux would be a nightmare. Of
course, I suppose they could release it for Fedora as their only
officially supported distro.
>
> Current levels of Linux uptake don't really pose a threat. I guess M$ is
> worried about what Linux might become, rather than what it is today. Who
> knows what goes in in their little heads?
>
I don't see Linux gaining the end user desktop market in the foreseeable
future.
>
> That isn't the way M$ does business. Typically they achieve market share
> by eliminating competition rather than producing quality products.
>
Adobe is much worse about this than MS... How many things that didn't
used to have Adobe in front of them now do?
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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Ok, who didn't know, or at least guess this?
Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:11:36
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Mike Raiford escreveu:
>> That isn't the way M$ does business. Typically they achieve market
>> share by eliminating competition rather than producing quality products.
>>
>
> Adobe is much worse about this than MS... How many things that didn't
> used to have Adobe in front of them now do?
Adobe? Ever heard of Autodesk? ;)
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