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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> As far as I can tell, M$ hasn't actually documented many of them yet.
http://learning.microsoft.com/Manager/Catalog.aspx?clang=en-US&dtype=Table&Sort=PublicationDateDescending&page=1&cats={2b4bc3f6-ff30-4b97-9188-b4f919a7f6f8}%3a{43456be0-e861-40a0-b351-0a4070381ad1}%3a{2d583e34-2bcf-4ed8-bfbb-34bb1612f8d4}
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Because.. Providing administrators with... I don't know, something that
> could tell them, so they don't have to look it up,
Providing administrators with something that would tell them what the event
codes mean without having to look up what the event codes mean? What?
How about a web site that lets you look up what event codes mean which?
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"Ouch ouch ouch!"
"What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
"No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."
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Darren New wrote:
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> How about a web site that lets you look up what event codes mean which?
>
That's great when you have internet on hand. If you're "out on the
field", it possibly ain't that great anymore.
-Aero
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Darren New wrote:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> that at least told you want the codes "mean" in some usable way, as
>> one of the available tools?
>
> Did you try putting the code into the link I offered? You know, the one
> with the drop-down box letting you specify the program, the code, the
> sub-code, and it spits back an explanation?
>
Would be "so" useful if... I don't know, I was some place where there
wasn't any internet, or FSM forbid, the "bug" caused loss of access to
that, now wouldn't it. MS' recent foray into "cloud computing" stuff
makes me laugh for do to that. ISP can't keep me live reliably 100% of
the time (and I really doubt anyone else is *guaranteed* service either,
but I am supposed to rely on someone else's servers to "run"
applications I need... Might as well got back to horse and buggy and
"rent" someone else's horses to pull you around, while hoping the local
farm's pasture fence doesn't break 5 minutes before I need to go some
place, letting all the horses escape...
Web pages like that are worthless, if you can't get to them. Its the
same reason that, despite pages of documentation on the Windows API,
people thought writing API-Guide was a good idea. Looking something up
"locally", on software you actually have installed "works", unless its
the software that is broken. Looking it up on a web page you have at
least 5-6 points of failure on "your" end, plus another 5+, to as much,
in the worst case, of possibly a total of 30, or more, points of
failure, to get to that web page. Just plain logic demands that its
"not" as good as having something "in hand".
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void main () {
If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Would be "so" useful if... I don't know, I was some place where there
> wasn't any internet, or FSM forbid, the "bug" caused loss of access to
> that, now wouldn't it.
I'm not real sure what you expect, then. Go buy the book that lists all the
codes, maybe? How many of them do you think you're going to look up?
> Just plain logic demands that its
> "not" as good as having something "in hand".
And if this really is a frequent problem for you, you go buy the book. Be
forewarned: it's pretty friggin big. Do you really need a complete list of
every event ever logged by any piece of hundreds of megabytes of code?
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"Ouch ouch ouch!"
"What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
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Darren New wrote:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Would be "so" useful if... I don't know, I was some place where there
>> wasn't any internet, or FSM forbid, the "bug" caused loss of access to
>> that, now wouldn't it.
>
> I'm not real sure what you expect, then. Go buy the book that lists all
> the codes, maybe? How many of them do you think you're going to look up?
>
>> Just plain logic demands that its "not" as good as having something
>> "in hand".
>
> And if this really is a frequent problem for you, you go buy the book.
> Be forewarned: it's pretty friggin big. Do you really need a complete
> list of every event ever logged by any piece of hundreds of megabytes of
> code?
>
Sigh.. Software, not a web page. Yes, software is easier, but web pages
are only convenient "if" you can get to them. That is the point. As for
books.. Gah.. Same situation as with API-Guide. I own most of the books
covering the stuff in that program, and its "easier" to find the stuff
in API-Guide, not to mention that the "examples" in it tend to be far
more helpful than the, sometimes, too lean and incomplete ones in the
book. Favorite has got to the the "assumption" that every one of them
has that you are a) using VC, not anything else, and you "don't need to
know" what a flag value is, since you can just plug in the .h file for
it, the reference the name in your code. Yep, that works "so" well, if
you are trying to access the API via VB, or worse, a Lua wrapper. lol
Too much to have something "someplace" in one of their dozens of books
that listed the actual flags and what their "values" are? Apparently...
:p After all, its makes so much more sense to buy a $600 compiler you
don't need, than a $50 book you "do". ;)
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void main () {
If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Sigh.. Software, not a web page.
Then get the software.
> know" what a flag value is, since you can just plug in the .h file for
> it, the reference the name in your code.
Or, you know, look up the name in the .h file.
All your complaints along this line come across as whining to me, for some
reason. Like "boo hoo, Microsoft doesn't make my job trivially easy for
free." Maybe it's just a conflict between your style and mine, but that's
why my answers probably sound obnoxious to you too. :-)
> Too much to have something "someplace" in one of their dozens of books
> that listed the actual flags and what their "values" are? Apparently...
No. You probably get such a listing when you go to the class that teaches
you how to manage machines using the codes.
> :p After all, its makes so much more sense to buy a $600 compiler you
> don't need, than a $50 book you "do". ;)
The compiler's free.
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"Ouch ouch ouch!"
"What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
"No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Sigh.. Software, not a web page.
BTW, *is* this actually a problem for you? Or are you just making up
problems so you can complain that you don't know how to solve them? Have you
ever actually any time in your life needed to know what an event log entry
meant in order to solve a problem, when it would be difficult to look it up
online?
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"Ouch ouch ouch!"
"What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
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Darren New wrote:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Sigh.. Software, not a web page.
>
> Then get the software.
>
>> know" what a flag value is, since you can just plug in the .h file for
>> it, the reference the name in your code.
>
> Or, you know, look up the name in the .h file.
>
Which you can't do ***if you don't have the compiler***. Think you
missed that. Most language MS puts out "do not include" the .h files
that only work with VC++/VC# anyway, so if you don't buy "both", you
don't have any way to "look up" the value.
> All your complaints along this line come across as whining to me, for
> some reason. Like "boo hoo, Microsoft doesn't make my job trivially easy
> for free." Maybe it's just a conflict between your style and mine, but
> that's why my answers probably sound obnoxious to you too. :-)
>
No, its called saving money. I hate spending stupid amounts of money for
books, which don't include the data I need, then spending a mess of time
hunting their pages, only to find the "same" references in the books,
and messes of C++/C# code as the "only" examples, then hunting google,
to find that there isn't anything on the specific function I am trying
to use, which isn't "also" in the C++/C#, etc. All leading to the
conclusion that the only way to "find" the information is by buying
which ever version of the VC++/VC# system **actually** included the
particular .h that you need. And, if its an older API call, you might
need the "developer" version.
What you are suggesting is the equivalent, in some cases, of telling
someone, "Well, is real simple. If you can't figure out how such and
such object is defined in an AutoCAD file, just spend thousands on a
copy of AutoCAD, and read "its" documentation on the subject. So, if its
your "style" to go out and buy everything they want you to, simply
because its the easiest way to get at the information, then hell yes our
"styles" differ. ;) lol
>> Too much to have something "someplace" in one of their dozens of books
>> that listed the actual flags and what their "values" are? Apparently...
>
> No. You probably get such a listing when you go to the class that
> teaches you how to manage machines using the codes.
>
Right.. Throw more money at it. lol But, true.. I do have an "ancient"
version of VC++ that "almost" would have helped me. Sadly, it was like
3.0, and the feature was introduced in 4.0/5.0, and by the time I
realized I needed it, you couldn't "find" 6.0 any place, which was the
last one you could "get" the libraries in, without going for the full
"developer" version.
But, point is, in contrast, years back I bought books on the Apple IIgs
API, when had one. It "included" the flag values in the examples, and
had entire tables at the end, which included them, as part of the books
on each API. The MS books.. are just a compilation of functions, often
with little or no examples, and "nothing" to tell you what any of the
flags actually where, just their names. Got to be the most frustrating
documentation I have ever seen. Hell, I am not sure they even tell you
what "TRUE" and "FALSE" are, never mind that they can be 2-3 different
definitions, depending on the language used, which would rather imply
that "maybe" knowing the name, or thinking you do, isn't "always" the
same as knowing the correct value. ;)
>> :p After all, its makes so much more sense to buy a $600 compiler you
>> don't need, than a $50 book you "do". ;)
>
> The compiler's free.
>
Umm. Only if you want to use the "latest" APIs. If, for some reason, you
are trying to update, modify, understand, or just "code for" an older
pre-.NET API, then "no it isn't". You still have to buy the full
"developer" version. I know. I tried that path on one project I was
attempting a while back. If it was free, it wouldn't require you to buy
a higher level version, to get "backward compatible" library
definitions. Just saying. ;)
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void main () {
If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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Darren New wrote:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Sigh.. Software, not a web page.
>
> BTW, *is* this actually a problem for you? Or are you just making up
> problems so you can complain that you don't know how to solve them? Have
> you ever actually any time in your life needed to know what an event log
> entry meant in order to solve a problem, when it would be difficult to
> look it up online?
>
Is it now? No. Its **was**. Less than a year ago I had dialup, and
having to hunt pages for stuff, some of which could time out on the
connection, all which took forever to load, and which I "sometimes"
didn't have access to, wasn't fun at all. And, as others have pointed
out, its "not" always as simple as "does your home computer have
internet access?". Some times its someone else's machine some place,
where you don't.
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void main () {
If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
if version = "Vista" {
call slow_by_half();
call DRM_everything();
}
call functional_code();
}
else
call crash_windows();
}
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3D Content, and 3D Software at DAZ3D!</A>
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