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And lo On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:13:55 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> did
spake thusly:
>>>> Why would that be?
>>>
>>> ...because every minute of every hour, hundreds of thousands of people
>>> connect to a given ISP and get assigned new IP addresses purely at
>>> random?
>> IPs are not given out at random. Each ISP has a range that they are
>> allowed to assign. The IP address can be tracked back to the ISP.
>
> Yes, I'm well aware of that. I meant they're assigned at random from the
> pool of addresses belonging to that ISP.
That wouldn't make financial sense. LIFO means that if I've bought a batch
of 100 numbers to use I can see I've never gone above address 50; so I can
return or sell on say 25 to someone else. Think about buying every member
of your 100-strong staff a licence for Software X, they all use it but
you've only a maximum of 10 doing so at one time.
>> From there, depending what records the ISP keeps, they can probably
>> tell what username was usign that IP at that time.
>
> This is the part that I doubt.
I'd echo Gail, but you've already answered her. To posit a non-national
security/by law suggestion - Data Mining; especially if you haven't ticked
that no third-party box. Been looking up recipies for avocados expect an
email from the National Association of Avocardo Growers about local
producers ;-)
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Phil Cook
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And lo On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:40:08 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did
spake thusly:
>>> Yeah, and some sites manage to figure out that I'm in Milton Keynes.
>>>
>>> Do you have *any idea* how many people live in Milton Keynes? ;-)
>> Over 200,000 last count, but how many searching for "test" at 16:12 on
>> Wed 02?
>
> Probably not many. No way of knowing *who* though. :-P
Police shut down paedo/jihad site, find logs, check referrers and ask
Google and ISPs to provide matching information. I'm not talking in
theory, it's been done.
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Phil Cook
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And lo On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:25:55 -0000, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aoldotcom>
did spake thusly:
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:54:36 -0000, "Phil Cook v2"
> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
>>
>> Spartan being the SAK with blade and corkscew and C2 being the cheapest
>> LM
>> of similar design. Just looked up recent prices - £9 vs. £50 woah a
>> fifth
>> of the price.
>
> Mine was a safety award, so it cost me nada :)
LOL What was it an attempt to let someone else win next time?
"Congratulations on your excellent safety record, here have a nice sharp
knife for your very own. I'll hope you'll carry it around with you at all
times"
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Phil Cook
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I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
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>>>> Do you have *any idea* how many people live in Milton Keynes? ;-)
>>> Over 200,000 last count, but how many searching for "test" at 16:12
>>> on Wed 02?
>>
>> Probably not many. No way of knowing *who* though. :-P
>
> Police shut down paedo/jihad site, find logs, check referrers and ask
> Google and ISPs to provide matching information. I'm not talking in
> theory, it's been done.
OK, so if the police shut down the brownie's website, they might be able
to figure out what I visited it. But they're not going to, are they?
I'm sure if a sufficiently resourceful government organisation wants to
find out who's using a given IP address, they can find out. What I'm
saying is that the brownies themselves can't passively obtain this
information just because I visit their site.
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Stephen wrote:
>
> Three things.
> 1. If you can't cut paper with a knife, then your knife is not sharp
> enough. I test my knife by shaving the edge off a cigarette paper.
I second that, even though I don't use cigarette paper (I don't smoke).
> 2. Swiss army knifes generally have a pair of scissors.
I also second that, but it's not 100% sure (like you wrote, generally -
not always).
> 3. The best way to cut paper with scissors is not to use a cutting motion
> but to start the cut then glide the scissors through the paper.
I also second this, but you'll need to have scissors sharp enough
(surprisingly).
> Like Phil I'm good at wrapping things. :)
I'm not.
-Aero
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Invisible wrote:
>
> Right. And after you've used the knife trice, it'll be blunt. :-P
>
That means the knife is crap. Get a real knife instead (try the swiss
army ones, for example).
-Aero
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Phil Cook v2 wrote:
>> Ha! You need a Swiss Army Knife for Christmas ;)
>
> Leatherman; let the fight begin :-)
>
Both are good, though older leathermans tend to have such sharp edges
that you can't actually use them as proper tools.
I use SAK's since I've got two of them for free - no need to spend money
if it's not necessary.
-Aero
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And lo On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:51:56 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did
spake thusly:
>>>>> Do you have *any idea* how many people live in Milton Keynes? ;-)
>>>> Over 200,000 last count, but how many searching for "test" at 16:12
>>>> on Wed 02?
>>>
>>> Probably not many. No way of knowing *who* though. :-P
>> Police shut down paedo/jihad site, find logs, check referrers and ask
>> Google and ISPs to provide matching information. I'm not talking in
>> theory, it's been done.
>
> OK, so if the police shut down the brownie's website, they might be able
> to figure out what I visited it. But they're not going to, are they?
>
> I'm sure if a sufficiently resourceful government organisation wants to
> find out who's using a given IP address, they can find out. What I'm
> saying is that the brownies themselves can't passively obtain this
> information just because I visit their site.
No, but they could spot that a certain IP (some ISPs like to fix your
number) visits quite regularly and spends a lot of time on the galleries
and contact the police about it. Not saying anything would be done about
it, but in this current climate it wouldn't surprise me at all.
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Invisible wrote:
> This still doesn't explain who the ISP is supposed to keep track of
> several thousand computers all concurrently using their system.
I wouldn't want to use an ISP that couldn't keep track of which computers
are connected to their network. I wouldn't use a mobile phone company that
couldn't tell where my phone was at any given time, either. They sort of
*have* to to make the service work, yes?
> OK, so they give the *police* that information. They're not going to
> give it to anybody else, are they? :-P
Depends. If the court orders them to give the records to a private company,
then sure. (Like, if someone things you stole something or otherwise
committed a civil crime over the internet, anyone suing you might be able to
get the records.) Certainly true in the USA.
If someone sues you for contract violations in the UK, don't they have the
ability to make you reveal records related to the lawsuit?
> OK, so they know I came from Google. They still don't know what I
> searched for. :-P
But google can tell them. There may be an interface that they can see that,
too.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.
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Invisible wrote:
> Probably not many. No way of knowing *who* though. :-P
You would be surprised. If you ever ordered something online, for example,
somebody knows who it was. There are entire systems set up to figure out
which IPs are in what areas based on people with close IP numbers filling
out demographics on cooperating systems. I.e., I have 192.23.45.12, and
someone with 192.23.45.15 fills out a form somewhere that says they live on
my street. There's a good chance 192.23.45.12 is in the same postal code.
That's part of how "geolocation" works.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.
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