All this talk of Vista, followed by me installing Steam on my new PC, 
got me wondering if the Steam activation had ever been cracked (since 
Vista activation is cracked via backdoors MS intentionally left in which 
aren't really needed for Steam to work well). So I google around, just 
out of curiousity, and come across
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5rIw1HUfrU

Now, how lame is this? Three minutes of video, with music, to convey six 
sentences of text?  Damn, guys, get a geocities web site or something.
-- 
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)

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Darren New wrote:
> All this talk of Vista, followed by me installing Steam on my new PC, 
> got me wondering if the Steam activation had ever been cracked (since 
> Vista activation is cracked via backdoors MS intentionally left in which 
> aren't really needed for Steam to work well). So I google around, just 
> out of curiousity, and come across
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5rIw1HUfrU
> 
> Now, how lame is this? Three minutes of video, with music, to convey six 
> sentences of text?  Damn, guys, get a geocities web site or something.

i wonder how long it took them to upload their video

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Tom Austin <taustin> wrote:
> i wonder how long it took them to upload their video

  Writing those sentences on a web page would have probably taken like
one minute. Creating that video probably took at least a half hour or
more. What's the point?

  The comments really show the state of morality of people: Wow! This is
absolutely great! I can play all these games without having to pay money!

  The attitude seems that having to actually pay for games is just an
obstacle those stupid big bad companies have put to annoy us, and if you
can overcome this obstacle without actually paying any money, you have
beaten the system.

  The attitude is like softare is a natural resource which pours freely
from a fountain, and these big bad companies have tapped into this fountain
and unfairly demanding people to pay for its contents, denying free access
to it. Any means to circumvent these demands and get the natural resource
for free is not only completely acceptable, but in fact a cool thing to do,
as it hits back at those big bad companies trying to steal us from what's
rightfully ours.

  Of course these people know the reality: They are getting the software
not at the expense of the company, but at the expense of other honest,
paying customers, those which keep the company running with their money.
In other words, they are using the products created with the money other
people have spent, without spending anything themselves. However, even
though they know this, they couldn't care less. Those who keep the company
alive by paying them money are fools and stupid, haha! They deserve to lose
their money for being so foolish.

  Software pirate mentality is one of the worst things that really grinds
my gears. People who pirate software and have this kind of attitude are
the worst moral scum on earth.

-- 
                                                          - Warp



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                                                          - Warp

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Warp wrote:

>   Software pirate mentality is one of the worst things that really grinds
> my gears. People who pirate software and have this kind of attitude are
> the worst moral scum on earth.

I don't pirate music for a similar reason... (Being a person who also 
creates the stuff.)

OTOH, DRM *also* annoys the hell out of me! >_<

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*

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Warp wrote:
> Tom Austin <taustin> wrote:
>> i wonder how long it took them to upload their video
> 
>   Writing those sentences on a web page would have probably taken like
> one minute. Creating that video probably took at least a half hour or
> more. What's the point?
> 


a joke based off Andrew's YouTube experience

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I don't pirate music for a similar reason... (Being a person who also 
> creates the stuff.)

  I don't even feel the need to pirate music because listening to music
is not my hobby. I basically never listen to music.

> OTOH, DRM *also* annoys the hell out of me! >_<

  The reason why DRM is so annoying is that it doesn't affect the people
who it should, ie. the pirates, but it *does* affect and hinder the honest
people who buy honestly and pay what they are asked for the product.

  Soon we will live in a world where pirated music and movies are the
*only* way to get them to work properly without having to spend enormous
amounts of money on expensive hardware which might still not guarantee
that you can get them to work properly.

  The naive theoretical idea behind DRM is that if you are a honest paying
customer, you don't even notice it's there. Only if you try to copy it
illegally you will stumble accross its obstacles. In practice it's often
almost the opposite.

-- 
                                                          - Warp

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The phrase "YouTube lameness" is very near being a redundancy.

Regards,
John

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Warp wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> I don't pirate music for a similar reason... (Being a person who also 
>> creates the stuff.)
> 
>   I don't even feel the need to pirate music because listening to music
> is not my hobby. I basically never listen to music.

I feel sad for you.  Unless you're deaf, in which case there's no way 
around it...

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"nemesis" <nam### [at] nospamgmailcom> wrote in message 
news:491cea4d$1@news.povray.org...
> Warp wrote:
>> Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>> I don't pirate music for a similar reason... (Being a person who also 
>>> creates the stuff.)
>>
>>   I don't even feel the need to pirate music because listening to music
>> is not my hobby. I basically never listen to music.
>
> I feel sad for you.  Unless you're deaf, in which case there's no way 
> around it...

Likewise, without music I'd simply be a lost soul.

I listen to music pretty much the entire time I'm awake, but then again, I 
listen to music when I go to sleep so thats not real accurate :)

IOW, I love music, music *moves* you!  Imagine the feeling you'd get if you 
created a piece of music to have someone come up to you and say something 
like "whenever I hear your song x, all the hairs stand on my neck stand on 
end" for example, imho thats the biggest cudos someone could ever give...

Music has the ability to make my body move without my brain telling it to! 
*Nothing* in this world can do the same.

Cheers Dre

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>  Soon we will live in a world where pirated music and movies are the
> *only* way to get them to work properly without having to spend enormous
> amounts of money on expensive hardware which might still not guarantee
> that you can get them to work properly.

Exactly, I don't understand why the producing companies do not realise that 
if they completely scrapped DRM at least the same people would still buy 
their products (maybe even a few more who refused to buy before because of 
DRM) and their products will still appear on bitTorrent.  The only 
difference will be they don't have to spend millions on DRM and their 
customers don't have to get annoyed with it.

I can understand in the past when there was no internet and people passed 
around videos to copy at home, and some mild DRM would stop most people 
being able to copy the tape.  But today there are *always* huge numbers of 
very skilled people willing to put in the time and effort to crack any new 
DRM system and share their findings online.  Once one person has done that 
everyone else can get the copy with almost no hassle.

eg They must have spent a huge amount of time and effort coming up with the 
really complicated DRM system that is used on BluRay discs.  Yet, almost 2 
weeks before the official launch of Wall-E on BluRay (in the UK at least), 
you can download the 1920x800 DRM-free AVI for free, and I'm sure all other 
releases are equally available.  I think that counts as a failure in 
anyone's books.

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