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scott wrote:
>> iPhone?
>>
>> That's not a phone - it's a hand-held computer with built-in GSM! :-P
>
> Did you look in a phone shop recently?
I bought a new phone just a few months ago, remember?
> Most phones have large high
> resolution displays and are capable of far more than just phone calls.
Not in the shop I went to...
Of course, that's just it. The only way a phone can have a large display
(or large anything else) is if the phone itself is large - and then it
won't fit in your pocket any more.
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>> Most phones have large high resolution displays and are capable of far
>> more than just phone calls.
>
> Not in the shop I went to...
amazon.co.uk, best selling phones for between 100 and 200 pounds (not even
counting the high-end phones), most of the ones I see on that page have a
screen taking up at least half of the entire handset:
1,2 & 6) LG Viewty - 3 inch 400x240
3) SE W890i - 2 inch 320x240
4) SE K850i - 2.2 inch 320x240
5) SE K770i - 1.9 inch 320x240
7 & 8) SE W910i - 2.4 inch 320x240
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scott wrote:
>>> Most phones have large high resolution displays and are capable of
>>> far more than just phone calls.
>>
>> Not in the shop I went to...
>
> amazon.co.uk, best selling phones for between 100 and 200 pounds (not
> even counting the high-end phones), most of the ones I see on that page
> have a screen taking up at least half of the entire handset:
That'll be it then.
around with it?)
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> That'll be it then.
>
In the trade, we call that "low-end" :-) Most phones are sold as part of
contracts are often worth in excess of 10x the amount you paid, even the the
owner didn't actually pay that in one lump sum.
> around with it?)
Of course I do, as does a large proportion of the population. Anyway, I
suspect if someone wanted to mug me they would be *way* more interested in
my car keys, or my wallet, or my watch etc. I'm not about to leave all that
at home the whole time, so why bother with just the phone?
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scott wrote:
>> That'll be it then.
>>
>
> In the trade, we call that "low-end" :-)
Yeah, well... I only want it so I can make telephone calls. I already
*have* a real camera and a real music player. :-P
> Most phones are sold as part
> of contracts are often worth in excess of 10x the amount you paid, even
> the the owner didn't actually pay that in one lump sum.
>> around with it?)
>
> Of course I do, as does a large proportion of the population. Anyway, I
> suspect if someone wanted to mug me they would be *way* more interested
> in my car keys, or my wallet, or my watch etc. I'm not about to leave
> all that at home the whole time, so why bother with just the phone?
Credit cards can be cancelled - at which point they become worthless.
Cars can sometimes be found and recovered. But a phone? Once it's gone,
you're basically never going to see it again.
Where the hell would you wear that?? o_O
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Invisible [mailto:voi### [at] dev null]
> around with it?)
Yes ;)
...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com
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Indeed, although it seems a lot of people use their phone a lot more than
you. At the other end of the spectrum is my boss (who has a UK phone
contract), he recently joined a several hour phone conference by calling
Japan from his mobile phone - while in the US. Let's just say his monthly
phone bill is often in 4 digits! Mine was 350 euro the other month when I
used the 3G connection in France as a modem to download email onto my laptop
:-O Data tarifs abroad are quite pricey!
> Credit cards can be cancelled
Sure, but the thief can still buy something with it worth a lot more than
your phone, which makes it more valuable to them. Even if you don't
actually lose anything.
> Cars can sometimes be found and recovered.
Here cars tend to just be "exported" to Eastern Europe and then sold, nobody
holds out much hope if your car gets stolen. If they have the key they're
laughing, even if they sell it for half price because it's stolen and only
got 1 key, they are going to get a hell of a lot more for it than a phone.
> Where the hell would you wear that?? o_O
I think the better question is "who" not "where". And the answer is people
who earn more money than you or I :-) The same people who drive a car worth
100K or live in a house worth a million or two, why would they even take a
second look at some cheap necklace for "only" a few hundred pounds?
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scott wrote:
>> expensive.
>
> Indeed, although it seems a lot of people use their phone a lot more
> than you.
This, presumably, is why contracts still exist? ;-)
> Data tarifs abroad are quite pricey!
And slower than cooling basult, presumably?
>> Cars can sometimes be found and recovered.
>
> Here cars tend to just be "exported" to Eastern Europe and then sold,
> nobody holds out much hope if your car gets stolen.
Really? When my moped was stolen, they didn't have much trouble finding
it. (Not that there was much left of it.) I guess it depends on whether
it's stolen by bored teenagers or professional criminals.
>> Where the hell would you wear that?? o_O
>
> I think the better question is "who" not "where". And the answer is
> people who earn more money than you or I :-) The same people who drive
> a car worth 100K or live in a house worth a million or two, why would
> they even take a second look at some cheap necklace for "only" a few
> hundred pounds?
Stop. You're really making me green. With ENVY! >_<
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Invisible wrote:
> Seems like it's the same amount of work to me, whether the kernel does
> it or the application does it.
First, you've eliminated all the overhead of two kernel calls per file,
which is something like 30% of a typical process' costs of execution.
Second, you can maintain a pointer to the file in the directory being
deleted. (Well, on things like FAT or ext3 you could - on a file system
like NTFS that actually rearranges the directories as you delete files,
it might be harder.) But, in other words, instead of
look up a file, delete the file, look up a file, delete the file
you have
delete, delete, delete, delete
So say you have a singly-linked unsorted list of integer values, and you
want to free up the memory. What is faster:
Look up "1", and unlink it.
Look up "2", and unlink it.
Look up "3", and unlink it....
or
Unlink the first. Unlink the first. Unlink the first...
>> To be fair, NTFS and other tree-based directory systems have to rework
>> the tree when you delete the files, so this too will be disk I/O
>> overhead.
>
> Um... you don't cache directory blocks, no? (Especially given that
> they're usually non-contiguous and so take a lot of thrashing to access,
> and there often heavily accessed.)
Sure. When your directory is bigger than your RAM, that doesn't help a
whole lot.
Not that it matters - you still wind up scanning thru the blocks. See
the linked-list example above.
> $500 seems like a hell of a lot of money to me...
Not for a business. It's a heck of a lot cheaper than paying me to
figure out how to do without. The computer they plugged into was $3500.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Invisible wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>
>> You can get 7.1 surround sound, mpeg encoders and decoders, and
>> hardware accelerated 3D in cell phones nowadays, dear. :-)
>
> What would be the point though?
Have you seen some of the japanese and korean cell phones? Apparently,
personal computers aren't real big over there. They use cell phones instead.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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