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Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
> > It's just hard to explain to someone who only uses the computer casually.
>
> For example, try to explain to someone who doesn't know the difference
> between a root account and a normal account why UAC is a good thing. :-)
The UAC in Vista is schizophrenic. It's not simply sudo, it's shell-shocked
sudo on crack and will annoy you to no end. I'm on an admin account, with UAC
/turned off/ (or at least as off as it can be) and it still annoys me from time
to time with stupidities like asking wether I'm sure I should let notepad show
me an html source...
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:39:12 -0400, nemesis wrote:
> The UAC in Vista is schizophrenic. It's not simply sudo, it's
> shell-shocked sudo on crack and will annoy you to no end.
That's the funniest (and best) description of UAC I've ever read....
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Except that something like kdesu asks you once for the root password (per
> run), but UAC asks you incessantly (in my own experience - which is
> somewhat limited) whether or not you want to allow X, Y, or Z to happen.
> It's not content with just asking once.
Well, it asks once per process you invoke with admin rights, just like
sudo. No, sudo doesn't ask for the password every time, but it makes you
type "sudo" every time, which was kind of what I was saying. I guess the
difference is that a program can ask for admin rights, and you type the
password to get them, just like starting up yast2 from the gui menu, I
guess. If the stuff would just silently fail if you don't invoke it
properly (like, say, linux's fdisk does), I guess you could get away
with not asking the password.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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nemesis wrote:
> and it still annoys me from time
> to time with stupidities like asking wether I'm sure I should let notepad show
> me an html source...
How do you make it do that, other than trying to open an HTML file you
don't have unpriv'ed read access to?
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Warp wrote:
> And in many cases they only can do that by breaking the basic engineer
> rule "if it works, don't fix it", as well as making the UI so heavy that
> you need a supercomputer to run it.
Yep. It can be ugly in some ways. They also wind up inventing solutions
to problems nobody actually had, and half the time those solutions don't
actually work right, after they've been widely hyped.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Somewhere around 1999 there was a virus released at internet, which
> reflashed the BIOS (if possible) and therefore rendered the MoBo
> unusable for most people.
I remember that. You could also reprogram both hercules graphics cards
and Radio Shack TRS-80 Model II machines to turn off the H and V refresh
on the video, overheating the spot in the middle of the screen until the
tube cracked.
> One more point is that the hw-manufacturers won't get any more money of
> writing drivers for old hw on new os. The money is collected when the
> new hw is sold - and on that time most buyers won't check the company
> habits for this kind of things.
Yeah. It's just reputation-enhancing. I think a lot of CAD-using
companies relied on Matrox, so knowing their expensive workstations
weren't going to need to be fixed was a useful thing for Matrox,
encouraging future sales. But the really high-end gaming cards are out
of date faster than the OS is anyway, so ... what difference does it make?
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Darren New wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> and it still annoys me from time
>> to time with stupidities like asking wether I'm sure I should let
>> notepad show
>> me an html source...
>
> How do you make it do that, other than trying to open an HTML file you
> don't have unpriv'ed read access to?
Generally by trying to view the source of any website from within IE7.
It's true and I'll be glad to take a picture of the lame moment once I'm
back at work on monday. More than once it also asks me if I should
permit an already installed program to execute. I'm not making this up
nor trying to spread FUD...
What really annoys me the most is that I'm quite sure I turned the
damned UAC feature off...
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nemesis wrote:
> Generally by trying to view the source of any website from within IE7.
Odd. Maybe it's more IE than UAC; as I understand it, it's only UAC if
the screen goes dim except for the prompt. (That's something that only
the UAC can do, so you can be sure it's a real UAC prompt, sort of like
the control-alt-delete thing popping up the password prompt.)
I can see IE asking if you want to execute some external program with
input downloaded from the web. Or maybe it's just f'ed, and you don't
have rights to see your own web history. I'll agree that sounds broken,
tho. I haven't used IE in ages, so I'm not familiar with its quirks.
> More than once it also asks me if I should
> permit an already installed program to execute.
I think it does that when the program explicitly asks for privs, even if
it's already installed. I mean, all the stuff like chkdsk and defrag are
already installed, and they ask for privs.
> What really annoys me the most is that I'm quite sure I turned the
> damned UAC feature off...
I believe you. I don't have a whole lot of experience with it yet. I
just have to say it hasn't annoyed *me* yet, except for the broken
software crap that came with the computer.
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Jim Henderson wrote:
>
> JUst a thought, does the device have a SSD drive in it? Or does it run
> completely over the network?
Completely over network. It's a low-budget system, built from leftovers
- AMD Athlon 1,2GHz, 768MiB, Matrox G400 16MiB, Intel EtherExpress
Pro/100+, some random case, Gentoo Linux. The PSU still makes slight noise.
> Jim
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Eero "Aero" Ahonen
http://www.zbxt.net
aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid
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Darren New wrote:
>
> I remember that. You could also reprogram both hercules graphics cards
> and Radio Shack TRS-80 Model II machines to turn off the H and V refresh
> on the video, overheating the spot in the middle of the screen until the
> tube cracked.
Nnnice. That must have made a nice cracking sound :).
>
> Yeah. It's just reputation-enhancing. I think a lot of CAD-using
> companies relied on Matrox, so knowing their expensive workstations
> weren't going to need to be fixed was a useful thing for Matrox,
> encouraging future sales. But the really high-end gaming cards are out
> of date faster than the OS is anyway, so ... what difference does it make?
>
Yep, pure business. I'm pretty sure if I was running a company like
Nvidia I'd work exactly the same. I might do some time-shifting for the
drivers, but releasing Vista-drivers for G400-aged card... No way.
--
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
http://www.zbxt.net
aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid
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