Darren New wrote:

> You know, that's one of the things I dislike about Linux. Knowlege gets 
> out of date in like 3 months. :-)

I saw a writing somewhere that said something like "using Windows is 
like living in a cheap hotel", whereas "using Linux is like living in a 
half-built cathederal being designed by seventeen architects. Every few 
weeks you wake up and think 'hmm, that stairway wasn't there before'..."

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On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:50:34 -0300, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Nope.  I started running VMware back at version 2.x (now on version 6),
>> hardware at that time didn't have any concept of virtualization.  The
>> separation was all done in software (and very well isolated as well -
>> can't think of any time where the guest took the host down when the
>> host was clean).
> 
> Many security researchers intentionally run malicious and quite
> dangerous software inside a VM, so it better have good isolation :)

Oh, absolutely, I don't dispute that.  I have done that type of work 
myself.  It is possible to "break out" of a VMware jail (at least without 
VT, and some say even with VT it can be done because of the host/guest 
interfaces that VMware makes available), but you've got to write 
specifically to it.

Jim

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On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:35:30 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> 2. Originally all guest OSes had to be aware too, but Xen now supports
>> running unmodified OSes as guests as well.
> 
> You know, that's one of the things I dislike about Linux. Knowlege gets
> out of date in like 3 months. :-)

It used to be that way a month ago, Darren - now knowledge is outdated in 
2 months.  Keep up at the back, will ya? ;-)

Jim

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On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:38:54 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> Darren New wrote:
> 
>> You know, that's one of the things I dislike about Linux. Knowlege gets
>> out of date in like 3 months. :-)
> 
> I saw a writing somewhere that said something like "using Windows is
> like living in a cheap hotel", whereas "using Linux is like living in a
> half-built cathederal being designed by seventeen architects. Every few
> weeks you wake up and think 'hmm, that stairway wasn't there before'..."

But then there are 15 people there to tell you that stairway *was* there, 
but you weren't. ;-)

Jim

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> Darren New wrote:
>
>> You know, that's one of the things I dislike about Linux. Knowlege gets 
>> out of date in like 3 months. :-)
>
> I saw a writing somewhere that said something like "using Windows is like 
> living in a cheap hotel", whereas "using Linux is like living in a 
> half-built cathederal being designed by seventeen architects. Every few 
> weeks you wake up and think 'hmm, that stairway wasn't there before'..."
>

And if you walk up the staircase, you'll fall from the 3rd 'floor' because 
the door's still a work-in-progress.

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Gail wrote:
> 
> "Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
> news:48bed9bc$1@news.povray.org...
>> Darren New wrote:
>>
>>> You know, that's one of the things I dislike about Linux. Knowlege 
>>> gets out of date in like 3 months. :-)
>>
>> I saw a writing somewhere that said something like "using Windows is 
>> like living in a cheap hotel", whereas "using Linux is like living in 
>> a half-built cathederal being designed by seventeen architects. Every 
>> few weeks you wake up and think 'hmm, that stairway wasn't there 
>> before'..."
>>
> 
> And if you walk up the staircase, you'll fall from the 3rd 'floor' 
> because the door's still a work-in-progress.
> 


actually, if you are really bleeding edge, you'll fall because someone 
moved the staircase without telling you ;-)

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Darren New wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> 2. Originally all guest OSes had to be aware too, but Xen now supports 
>> running unmodified OSes as guests as well.
> 
> You know, that's one of the things I dislike about Linux. Knowlege gets 
> out of date in like 3 months. :-)
> 

I disagree, since the situation has been what Andrew mentioned for at 
least a year.

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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> I disagree, since the situation has been what Andrew mentioned for at 
> least a year.

Yeah, cause like nothing has changed in the last year, since they 
modified Xen to run other operating systems.

It was kind of funny. When I read about Xen, I had the same sort of 
feeling as when I saw the first Macintosh.

Me: "Wow, cool. You can have multiple windows open at the same time!"
Salesman: "Yep!"
Me: "So how many programs can it run at once."
Salesman: "Oh, just one. But with multiple windows!"

Me: "Wow, cool. You can run multiple operating systems at the same time!"
Me, 10 minutes later: "Oh, as long as they're all Linux."

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On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:18:41 +0200, "Gail" <gail (at) sql in the wild (dot) co
[dot] za> wrote:

>
>"Stephen" <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote in message 
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>
>>
>> You have a blog dedicated to SQL?
>
>Yup. For over a year now. It's surprising how the hits have grown, 
>especially over the last 3 months
>

It is a nice looking site but outside my sphere of interests.

>> Is that so you don't use this forum for Haskel
>> Oops! Sorry Andrew :)
>>
>
>Somehow I don't think too many people here would be interested in a deep 
>discussion on the internals of the query optimiser. ;-) 

I don't know, every topic under the sun appears here at one time or another. A
bit like Piccadilly Circus. Of where it is said, "If you stand there long enough
you will see everyone that you have ever met". :)
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     Stephen

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Darren New wrote:
> Eero Ahonen wrote:
>> I disagree, since the situation has been what Andrew mentioned for at 
>> least a year.
> 
> Yeah, cause like nothing has changed in the last year, since they 
> modified Xen to run other operating systems.
> 

It was 'bout a year ago, when I raised Xen to operate 3 Linux-servers at 
work. Back then it would've been possible to run unmodified guests if 
the hw would've supported hvm (the "old" DL380G4 I was using didn't, but 
it ain't a problem, since running Linux's on it is enough for us.

And yes, as someone (Andrew?) had said, dom0 (privileged OS) needs to be 
aware of Xen and Linux is one of possibilities (IIRC some BSD's can do 
this also). But if this wasn't the case, there would need to be 
hardware-based controlling for the hypervisor, since it has to be 
controllable. I'll give a guess: HyperV needs Windows as privileged OS. 
I'll also give a question: can HyperV run unmodified guests? I'd guess 
yes with hvm, but if someone *knows*, let me also know :).


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