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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:56:00 -0400, Halbert wrote:
> Answering my own question: Duh, it's an organ piece! ( Organs do not
> have sostenudo pedals.)
Well, no, but some have three rows of keys (or more) + foot pedals...
Jim
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"Halbert" <hal### [at] gmail com> wrote in message
news:48ab331a$1@news.povray.org...
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> "Halbert" <hal### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
> news:48ab31fc$1@news.povray.org...
>> Or, are you required to use the sostenuto pedal on that passage?
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> Answering my own question: Duh, it's an organ piece! ( Organs do not have
> sostenudo pedals.)
Being an organ piece explains the "third hand". Organs have a foot pedal
keyboard for bass notes. That is the third line that Andy can't play.
There's a Gershwin Prelude that I learnt to play once, that is also full of
10th intervals - typically C#-to-E. As Halbert said, if your hand is too
small for the interval (as mine is) roll across the two notes from low to
high. With a lot of parctice on long intervals, your hand will eventually
stretch further than it can now.
Brian
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48ab331a$1@news.povray.org...
> Answering my own question: Duh, it's an organ piece! ( Organs do not have
> sostenudo pedals.)
>
Nope but they are commonly played in churches or cathedrals with long
reverberation times up to 4 or 5 seconds which blends fast notes
Marc
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Warp wrote:
> Given that the toccata was composed in 1879 I think it has long ago
> passed into public domain, even if we take into account the Mickey Mouse
> Protection Act in the US.
I'm confident that the music itself is in the public domain now.
However, I was under the impression that a particular publication of it
can still claim copyright. As in, a publisher can publish the score and
charge you money for it, and if you photocopy the book, that's illegal.
(Also... I'm impressed you happened to know it was 1879.)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
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>> Also... I mean, Mr Bach's Toccata & Fugue is pretty damned hard,
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> It all depends on what you measure it's difficulty relative to. I'd say
> that it's actually one of the easier classical organ pieces (though I'm
> not very familiar with what the standard organ repertoire would be).
>
> This is not to diminish the effort you spent learning it of course, it's
> certainly challenging enough to present a challenge to people without
> serious training in the instrument. (as a note, it's also at about the
> limit of my meager piano skills).
Well, Bach's Toccata & Fugue contains rapid melodies and dizzying
harmonies and counterpoint. And it seems to hop from key to key at whim.
Whoever wrote this thing was either a genius, or insane. (Possibly both,
thinking about it...)
Widor's Toccata involves big block chords, wide intervals, a hyperactive
stream of 32nd notes, and awkward rythems. I doubt I'll ever be able to
play it as an actual toccata. It's too complicated! o_O
> I assume you're talking about the toccata from his Symphony No.5 for
> organ?
Hell yeah. ;-)
> The third staff would be for the foot pedals -- almost all organ
> music will have three staves.
Ooo... Well, obviously, my synthezier doesn't have those. (Which is
precisely why it fits inside my bedroom BTW.)
> If your version of Bach's Toccata and
> Fugue didn't, it was probably a piano reduction of the original 3-staff
> organ score.
That would explain a few things. For example, the Widor score I have
mumbles something about which organ stops to use at the beginning. The
score I have for Bach says no such thing.
--
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Brian Elliott wrote:
> Being an organ piece explains the "third hand". Organs have a foot
> pedal keyboard for bass notes. That is the third line that Andy can't
> play.
Thank God the bassline is pretty simple...!
> There's a Gershwin Prelude that I learnt to play once, that is also full
> of 10th intervals - typically C#-to-E. As Halbert said, if your hand is
> too small for the interval (as mine is) roll across the two notes from
> low to high. With a lot of parctice on long intervals, your hand will
> eventually stretch further than it can now.
This thing has an interval from C to E. Specifically, it has this part
that goes
Eb G Bb Db
D G Bb D
C G Bb E
On reaching the final chord, my hand was in pain! >_< I mean, it
*sounds* amazing, but a 10th interval with a black note in the middle? Ouch.
I mean, I *can* play it, but it's not very comfortable.
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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48abd019$1@news.povray.org...
> I mean, I *can* play it, but it's not very comfortable.
I'm not a piano but a guitar player and some chord positions (I call them
"kung-fu positions") neither are very comfortable when you begin practicing
them.
It is mostly muscle training and with practice it becomes much easier and
painless.
I guess it is the same on a keyboard.
Marc
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>> I mean, I *can* play it, but it's not very comfortable.
>
> I'm not a piano but a guitar player and some chord positions (I call them
> "kung-fu positions") neither are very comfortable when you begin practicing
> them.
> It is mostly muscle training and with practice it becomes much easier and
> painless.
> I guess it is the same on a keyboard.
I've been playing keyboards extensively since I was about 9 years old.
Playing piano is harder because the keys are much heavier. But still,
generally I'm quite good at playing keyboards. I have long, slender,
bony fingers that are quite suited to the task. (Indeed, I would say my
fingers are my most attractive physical feature - insert witty remark
here.) But even for me, a 10th is a pretty big interval. It wouldn't
even be so hard if it didn't have black notes in the middle... heh.
Clearly I'm going to have to post a recording at some point. :-P
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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48abd6cc$1@news.povray.org...
> I've been playing keyboards extensively since I was about 9 years old.
> Playing piano is harder because the keys are much heavier. But still,
> generally I'm quite good at playing keyboards. I have long, slender, bony
> fingers that are quite suited to the task. (Indeed, I would say my fingers
> are my most attractive physical feature - insert witty remark here.) But
> even for me, a 10th is a pretty big interval. It wouldn't even be so hard
> if it didn't have black notes in the middle... heh.
>
> Clearly I'm going to have to post a recording at some point. :-P
>
> --
I did not mean that you are a beginner but I understood you are not familiar
with 10th extensions with black notes in the middle.
I think it needs antagonistic muscular actions our hand is not designed for.
Practicing will make it easier, that's all what I mean :-)
Marc
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Wow... 4 replies in the time it takes to have a shower!
>
> Oh, wait...
The group could also be named povray.nothing-better-to-do .
Regards,
John
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