On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:40:54 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> I thought I saw somewhere that OpenVPN *does* work with NAT, but IPSec
> doesn't. (Because NAT involves packet modification, which IPSec is
> obviously designed to prevent.)

IPSec can work over NATted connections, you just need a router that will 
handle it.  The last couple Linksys routers I've had (and the Belkin I 
currently own, IIRC) have supported IPSec over NAT.

Jim

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On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:33:49 +0100, Invisible wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> Ah, I see.  There are so many Jamies' in the world.
> 
> And I kinda promised that if I ever have children... well, there'll be
> *another* Jamie in the world. ;-)

:-)

>> But hey, it sounds
>> like you've got at least *one* friend.  Actually, though, I know you
>> have more than that. ;-)
> 
> Meh. There are people I sometimes speak to on teh interwebs. But human
> beings that I can actually go hang out with? Now that's a tiny list. :-(

Hey, the same goes here.  Offhand, I can think of about 2 people outside 
of work that I will just hang out with - and they're my immediate 
family.  I'll occasionally have lunch with one of my instructors or 
coworkers at lunch.  Very occasionally, I'll get together with the 
neighbors across the alley from us, or the ones next door to us.

>>> Seriously, Zazzle boasts that you can have your order within 24 hours,
>>> but that's only actually true if you line in North America. For the
>>> rest of the world... it takes rather a long time. :-( I wish they
>>> would set up a facility somewhere in mainland Europe...
>> 
>> Seems a lot of companies operate that way.  We have a similar
>> experience when ordering DVDs from amazon.co.uk as well.
> 
> Really? I usually find Amazon to be quite good...

You're not in the US ordering from a.co.uk, though.  When I order from 
Amazon US, delivery time is just fine - but from the UK, it takes a while 
longer.

Jim

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On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:17:37 +0100, Phil Cook wrote:

> And lo on Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:01:07 +0100, Jim Henderson
> <nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake, saying:
> 
>> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:27:26 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>
>>>>> No problem. There's no charge for this service. Please contact Phil
>>>>> Cook in my absence. ;-)
> 
> But I charge by the word.
> 
>>>> And another laugh.  I might actually get some sleep yet tonight. :-)
>>>
>>> Yeah - dude, what the hell?? WHY ARE YOU AWAKE?! x_x
>>
>> Right now because I'm talking to you.  5 AM now.
>>
>> Today's the 4th of July here, so I don't have to work today.
> 
> Too many giant spaceships hovering over the cities causing congestion?

Yeah, something like that.

> Pfft uppity colonials, you don't see us celebrating Consitutional
> Monarchy Day.

Heh, well, I know a number of Brits who celebrate having rid themselves 
of us, so that's fair. ;-)  As for us, we celebrated by calming cats 
during the fireworks - but the fireworks themselves have been very muted 
this year out here.

Oh, and I cooked us some *excellent* steaks.  I managed - for the first 
time - to cook medium-rare steaks instead of cooking them until they were 
charcoal.  You'd be able to see more about it in my LJ.

It's kinda ironic - I'm perfectly happy having some reheated pizza or 
canned soup, but I somehow do seem to pull together some pretty good home 
cooked food every once in a while - and I enjoy it, which just really 
surprises me.

Jim

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On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:34:55 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:17:37 +0100, "Phil Cook"
> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Pfft uppity colonials, you don't see us celebrating Consitutional
>>Monarchy Day.
> 
> A bit late but I always celebrate "Good Riddance Day" ;)

See, Phil?  This is what I was just saying. ;-)

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:

> You're not in the US ordering from a.co.uk, though.  When I order from 
> Amazon US, delivery time is just fine - but from the UK, it takes a while 
> longer.

Heh. My boss gave me some gift vouchers from Amazon.com for Christmas. 
So I guess I won't be using them then. :-/

(Just another example of the self-evident fact that Americans typically 
don't comprehend that there are parts of the world that aren't America.)

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*

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On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:34:45 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> You're not in the US ordering from a.co.uk, though.  When I order from
>> Amazon US, delivery time is just fine - but from the UK, it takes a
>> while longer.
> 
> Heh. My boss gave me some gift vouchers from Amazon.com for Christmas.
> So I guess I won't be using them then. :-/

You can send them to me. ;-)  (Seriously, you can place the order, it 
might just take a little longer to get there)

> (Just another example of the self-evident fact that Americans typically
> don't comprehend that there are parts of the world that aren't America.)

Be careful about generalizations.  There are quite a few of us who do 
understand that we're not the entire world.

Jim

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On 06-Jul-08 20:17, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:34:45 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> 
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>
>>> You're not in the US ordering from a.co.uk, though.  When I order from
>>> Amazon US, delivery time is just fine - but from the UK, it takes a
>>> while longer.
>> Heh. My boss gave me some gift vouchers from Amazon.com for Christmas.
>> So I guess I won't be using them then. :-/
> 
> You can send them to me. ;-)  (Seriously, you can place the order, it 
> might just take a little longer to get there)
> 
I have used both the UK and the USA ones and it does work. Presumably if 
you order something from .com you get a box with .uk on it anyway. At 
least when I order something at .uk I always get packages from .de even 
when the item is not listed at .de
>> (Just another example of the self-evident fact that Americans typically
>> don't comprehend that there are parts of the world that aren't America.)
> 
> Be careful about generalizations.  There are quite a few of us who do 
> understand that we're not the entire world.
> 
I would say everyone that is regular in this NG to begin with.

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Jim Henderson wrote:

> You can send them to me. ;-)  (Seriously, you can place the order, it 
> might just take a little longer to get there)

More to the point: apparently I have to sign up for a new, seperate 
account. (I can't just reuse my UK one.) FTW?

>> (Just another example of the self-evident fact that Americans typically
>> don't comprehend that there are parts of the world that aren't America.)
> 
> Be careful about generalizations.  There are quite a few of us who do 
> understand that we're not the entire world.

I did say "typically". I'm sure there are plenty of Americans who know 
more geography them me. (Wouldn't be hard, would it?) But unless it's 
just the policy of my particular company to only hire stupid people, 
most of them seem to interlectually comprehend the fact that the UK 
isn't the USA, but on a practical level forget this fact at every 
possible juncture.

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*

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And lo on Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:23:16 +0100, Jim Henderson  
<nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake, saying:

> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:17:37 +0100, Phil Cook wrote:
>
>> And lo on Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:01:07 +0100, Jim Henderson
>> <nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake, saying:
>>
> Oh, and I cooked us some *excellent* steaks.  I managed - for the first
> time - to cook medium-rare steaks instead of cooking them until they were
> charcoal.  You'd be able to see more about it in my LJ.

Oh they're no good unless they charcoal briquettes on the outside and raw  
on the inside :-)

> It's kinda ironic - I'm perfectly happy having some reheated pizza or
> canned soup,

The food group of the gods.

> but I somehow do seem to pull together some pretty good home
> cooked food every once in a while - and I enjoy it, which just really
> surprises me.

Well I've just got an oven back so I'll be able to return to home-cooked  
meals; found that I had to go buy a new wok though.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com

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On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:13:06 +0100, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:

>
>Well I've just got an oven back so I'll be able to return to home-cooked  
>meals; found that I had to go buy a new wok though.

Strange, using a wok in an oven :)

I must admit that home cooked food is just about all I eat. Except for breakfast
and when I have to eat out.
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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