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Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
> That was my bad. If you're up in the formula-entry bar, the arrow keys
> won't move you out of it, even for up/down.
Of course not, they are used for moving through the text being edited! Use ESC
to get out. It's the same in Excel, if I remember correctly...
> This is very reproducable for me.
>
> I open a CSV file with "oocalc yadda.csv"
> I click on one of the cells that has text.
> I type different text without hitting return or anything.
> Neither the little floppy icon nor the save menu is enabled.
> Click on a different cell, and those menus are both enabled.
> Build 2.0.4.7.
Sorry, no problem in 2.2.
> Unless you're already in the top bar. :-)
then, just CTRL+A(ll) and CTRL+C will do.
BTW, there's a way of editing hyperlinks: enable View -> Hyperlink Bar. It
should display the editable contents of the hyperlink. It allows for links in
the style "click here for foo"... should've gone for the Help from the very
first time, but you know how hackerish geeks can get... :P
Well, we all learned something today, thanks to your cranky complaints... :P
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On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 05:39:56 +0100, nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> I open a CSV file with "oocalc yadda.csv"
>> I click on one of the cells that has text.
>> I type different text without hitting return or anything.
>> Neither the little floppy icon nor the save menu is enabled.
>> Click on a different cell, and those menus are both enabled.
>> Build 2.0.4.7.
>
> Sorry, no problem in 2.2.
I can comfirm that the issue exists in 2.3.0 (Windows version).
--
FE
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nemesis wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> That was my bad. If you're up in the formula-entry bar, the arrow keys
>> won't move you out of it, even for up/down.
>
> Of course not, they are used for moving through the text being edited!
Right. That's why I said "my bad." :-)
> Sorry, no problem in 2.2.
Heh. OK, so I guess someone fixed that one.
>> Unless you're already in the top bar. :-)
> then, just CTRL+A(ll) and CTRL+C will do.
I'm not sure ctrl+C works on my version. Probably.
> BTW, there's a way of editing hyperlinks: enable View -> Hyperlink Bar.
That's the point at which I got pissed off and dropped into VI to edit
it. ;-)
> Well, we all learned something today, thanks to your cranky complaints... :P
There ya go. And y'all should feel free to bit-bucket me if I get
annoying. I'll try to tone it down. (Unless it's a microsoft product, of
course, because then it's OK to complain about perceived but nonexistent
problems. ;-)
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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And lo on Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:20:45 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>
did spake, saying:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Huh, that's not been my experience. What version are you looking at?
>
> Whatever is recent. You put the cursor on a cell and start typing, and
> it doesn't replace the entry. You try to cursor off, it doesn't move.
> You replace a cell and go to save the file, and you have to cursor out
> of the cell before it agrees the spreadsheet is changed.
To put it another way the file won't save while you're in edit mode of a
cell or the formula bar.
> You right-click on the place at the top where you enter equations, and
> you don't get a copy/paste menu.
I do. THough I'll admit this is a bit screwed at least in XL2k. Edit a
cell directly and the right-click menu will appear there, but not in the
formular bar. Edit in the formula bar and you can right click in either,
but you'll be changing the edit selection from bar to cell if you
right-click the cell.
> You type something that looks like a URL, then go back and try to change
> it, and it wont let you click the URL to put the cursor inside it.
F2 your functional friend :-) Assuming you don't use the formula bar edit.
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Phil Cook
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I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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Darren New wrote:
>>> You replace a cell and go to save the file, and you have to cursor
>>> out of the cell before it agrees the spreadsheet is changed.
>>
>> Didn't happen either.
>
> This is very reproducable for me.
>
> I open a CSV file with "oocalc yadda.csv"
> I click on one of the cells that has text.
> I type different text without hitting return or anything.
> Neither the little floppy icon nor the save menu is enabled.
> Click on a different cell, and those menus are both enabled.
> Build 2.0.4.7.
>
Yeah, that's because the change is not comitted to the worksheet yet.
Press ESC and the worksheet hasn't changed. So technically it's right in
not enabling the save button, because the document is changed the moment
you *leave* the cell.
Manuel
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Manuel Kasten wrote:
> Yeah, that's because the change is not comitted to the worksheet yet.
> Press ESC and the worksheet hasn't changed.
Cool. That I didn't know.
(You know, I never said it was a bad program. I just said it's
frustrating to me. :-)
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:29:39 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Worksforme.
>> Worksforme
>> Worksforme
>
> It probably depends on exactly what you've done and what state it's in.
Likely, yes.
> I just know that after about 10 minutes I fell back to editing the CSV
> files with VI. :-)
Well, I probably would have done so as well, or used awk if it was a mass
change.
>>> You right-click
>>> on the place at the top where you enter equations, and you don't get a
>>> copy/paste menu.
>>
>> Never tried this, I always use the keyboard shortcuts.
>
> That didn't work to me.
Shift+Del and Shift+Ins, not CTRL-C and CTRL-V.
>> Does in GNOME - I use that regularly. This is probably, though, one of
>> my biggest beefs with Linux programs - the copy/paste buffer isn't
>> always common between apps.
>
> Yeah. Or there's more than one of them. Or stuff in the buffer does or
> does not get replaced simply by changing the focus.
I'm pretty sure that it's that there's more than one. I've noticed a few
instances where exiting an application clears the buffer. Like Firefox,
for instance. That drives me a little crazy.
>> I've never had a problem editing URLs in Firefox....
>
> This was specifically a URL that immediately redirected to a different
> URL. I couldn't figure an easy way of copying it into the address bar
> without having to retype it.
I don't know that I follow - you mean like a tinyurl redirector?
Jim
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:39:09 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> Build 2.0.4.7
Try a 2.3 release build instead....
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Well, I probably would have done so as well, or used awk if it was a mass
> change.
Oddly enough, once I griped about it here, for some reason the program
completely stopped annoying me. It suddenly seems to work wonderfully
intuitively. Either I stopped doing what was bothering me, or my brain
rewired to understand the underlying behavior of the program correctly. :-)
> Shift+Del and Shift+Ins, not CTRL-C and CTRL-V.
That's another annoyance. I have different keyboards, and only one of
the INS keys works for insertion. Or it's a numlock problem or something.
> I'm pretty sure that it's that there's more than one. I've noticed a few
> instances where exiting an application clears the buffer. Like Firefox,
> for instance. That drives me a little crazy.
Yeah. X's cut/paste buffer management is really pretty screwy. As I
understand it, as long as the application is open that put the "clip" in
the clip buffer, other apps ask that app directly for the data, so it
doesn't get buffered twice. When the app exits, it's supposed to put it
onto the "real" clip buffer.
Some programs work that way, and those are the ones that override
another program's clip when they get focus and have something selected.
Others always just put the clip on the clipboard. Etc.
> I don't know that I follow - you mean like a tinyurl redirector?
Like that, but an error message.
http://wikipedia.org/search-redirect.php?searchInput=xyzzy
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:16:51 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Well, I probably would have done so as well, or used awk if it was a
>> mass change.
>
> Oddly enough, once I griped about it here, for some reason the program
> completely stopped annoying me. It suddenly seems to work wonderfully
> intuitively. Either I stopped doing what was bothering me, or my brain
> rewired to understand the underlying behavior of the program correctly.
> :-)
LOL, that's funny. :-)
>> Shift+Del and Shift+Ins, not CTRL-C and CTRL-V.
>
> That's another annoyance. I have different keyboards, and only one of
> the INS keys works for insertion. Or it's a numlock problem or
> something.
Probably, yes - but you can't blame OO for that. ;-)
>> I'm pretty sure that it's that there's more than one. I've noticed a
>> few instances where exiting an application clears the buffer. Like
>> Firefox, for instance. That drives me a little crazy.
>
> Yeah. X's cut/paste buffer management is really pretty screwy. As I
> understand it, as long as the application is open that put the "clip" in
> the clip buffer, other apps ask that app directly for the data, so it
> doesn't get buffered twice. When the app exits, it's supposed to put it
> onto the "real" clip buffer.
Hmmm, maybe I need to file a bug with the Firefox project, then.
> Some programs work that way, and those are the ones that override
> another program's clip when they get focus and have something selected.
> Others always just put the clip on the clipboard. Etc.
>
>> I don't know that I follow - you mean like a tinyurl redirector?
>
> Like that, but an error message.
> http://wikipedia.org/search-redirect.php?searchInput=xyzzy
Hmmm, interesting. The original doesn't show up in the history, either.
Jim
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