>>> That seems a little overkill just for a simple MP3 player...
>>
>> That's because it's not a simple MP3 player.
> 
> Apparently so...

Got 15 minutes? Check the video tour at apple.com. If not, at least 
watch this 30-second video :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SctNJUtBLY

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> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> and I can check my email from it.
> 
> Oh. Dear God.

Actually, I *could* check my email from it, can't anymore. I lost the 
mail app (along with others) on my first failed attempt at jailbreaking. 
I won't be paying 20 bucks for the "app pack" to get stuff I already 
had, so I'll see if there is some h4x0r way to get them back.

And in fact, the iPod touch has those apps (I know it because I have 
extracted the disk image from the firmware). The so-called app pack 
probably just "unlocks" them.

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Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:
> I won't be paying 20 bucks for the "app pack" to get stuff I already 
> had, so I'll see if there is some h4x0r way to get them back.

  If you had that software legally it means that your iPod has a legal
license for that software. Unless I'm completely wrong, the license
entitles you to get the software again if you lost it.

  Of course it may be that getting the software back is part of the
warranty, which you voided by hacking the device...

  OTOH, is 20 dollars really that much money?

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                                                          - Warp

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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> > iPod touch runs OS X, has 128MB of RAM, a 620MHz ARM CPU underclocked to 
> > 412MHz,

> That seems a little overkill just for a simple MP3 player...

  It's a PDA, not an MP3 player.

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                                                          - Warp

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Warp escribió:
> Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:
>> I won't be paying 20 bucks for the "app pack" to get stuff I already 
>> had, so I'll see if there is some h4x0r way to get them back.
> 
>   If you had that software legally it means that your iPod has a legal
> license for that software. Unless I'm completely wrong, the license
> entitles you to get the software again if you lost it.

Say somebody gives you a videogame as a gift. He paid for it, it's a 
legal copy. And the physical media has some problem. If it's a 
manufacturing defect, of course you could get it back from the game 
company under warranty. But say you lost the disc, or your CD drive 
broke it, or your dog ate it. Are you legally entitled to download it 
off the Internet, or rip a friend's copy?

Like I said on the last paragraph of my first post, I didn't buy the 
iPod. The iPod had those apps when it reached my hands, and I'd guess 
Sun Learning Services got them legally. If *I* had bought the apps, they 
would have been reloaded by iTunes when I connected the iPod again. But 
I didn't buy the apps, they were there by the time I got the iPod. And 
the iPod didn't come with any way to restore them...

>   Of course it may be that getting the software back is part of the
> warranty, which you voided by hacking the device...

Note I didn't lose them by hacking the device. All I did was downgrade 
the firmware (to an official and unmodified version) using iTunes. Sure, 
*then* I hacked it, and that may void my warranty... But then I'm not 
sure if iPod touch is even *sold* in my country, so maybe the warranty 
doesn't even apply outside USA (for example, if the hardware breaks, 
will anyone here know how to fix it?) And hey, my dad has an iPhone 
jailbreaked *and* unlocked to work with local cellphone networks... 
(although he actually paid for it) His warranty is probably quite lost 
by now.

>   OTOH, is 20 dollars really that much money?

My dad said he would pay for them if I wanted to (as far as I know, I 
can't; or can minors get an iTunes store account directly?). It's not 
about "is it too much or not". What if I had paid for the iPod and the 
apps, and lost the apps for some reason, would I have to buy them again?

I had those apps before, so I don't see why I should pay to get them 
back. And in fact, I'd rather pay somebody in the hacking community $20 
to help me unlock those apps, than buying them. Because then I'd also 
gain knowledge. Particularly, knowledge on how to get them back myself 
if I lose them again.

Plus, paying to get the apps is nowhere near as *fun* as hacking my way 
around it :]

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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:37:15 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Heh. Even *I* have heard of the iPhone. (Although I couldn't tell you 
 

> what's supposed to be so great about it. Presumably the fact that it's
  

> shiny...)


It has scrolling capability...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddnZQh2-wTA


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FE

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Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:
> Say somebody gives you a videogame as a gift. He paid for it, it's a 
> legal copy. And the physical media has some problem. If it's a 
> manufacturing defect, of course you could get it back from the game 
> company under warranty. But say you lost the disc, or your CD drive 
> broke it, or your dog ate it. Are you legally entitled to download it 
> off the Internet, or rip a friend's copy?

  Without a written license that proves you have the right to use the
software? Probably not.

> Like I said on the last paragraph of my first post, I didn't buy the 
> iPod. The iPod had those apps when it reached my hands, and I'd guess 
> Sun Learning Services got them legally.

  Maybe you could ask them?

> >   Of course it may be that getting the software back is part of the
> > warranty, which you voided by hacking the device...

> Note I didn't lose them by hacking the device. All I did was downgrade 
> the firmware

  That may be considered the same thing. :P

> >   OTOH, is 20 dollars really that much money?

> What if I had paid for the iPod and the 
> apps, and lost the apps for some reason, would I have to buy them again?

  I'm sure they would reinstall them at the shop as part of the warranty.
They do that all the time with cellphones.

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                                                          - Warp

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
<snip> ...

> Plus, paying to get the apps is nowhere near as *fun* as hacking my way
> around it :]

Thank $DEITY for people like you. As my sig used to say (in part):
Run Fast
Run Free

John
-- 
I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.

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Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> 
>>> iPod touch runs OS X, has 128MB of RAM, a 620MHz ARM CPU underclocked to 
>>> 412MHz,
> 
>> That seems a little overkill just for a simple MP3 player...
> 
>   It's a PDA, not an MP3 player.

An exceptionally poor one, tho, given that it doesn't have basic 
functionality like to-do lists.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."

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> Actually, I *could* check my email from it, can't anymore. I lost the 
> mail app (along with others) on my first failed attempt at jailbreaking. 
> I won't be paying 20 bucks for the "app pack" to get stuff I already 
> had, so I'll see if there is some h4x0r way to get them back.
> 
> And in fact, the iPod touch has those apps (I know it because I have 
> extracted the disk image from the firmware). The so-called app pack 
> probably just "unlocks" them.

Current status:

- Firmware 1.1.3, successfully jailbroken.
- Installer.app[1] and Cydia[2] (a port of Debian's APT!). The latter 
proving how much the former sucks[3].
- Mail, Maps, Weather, Notes, Stocks, and ability to customize home 
screen. For free. All I had to do was install "iPod touch software 
update" package (from a non-standard package source) after getting 
1.1.3. [Note to self: figure out how to get rid of Stocks icon]
- A working ssh, with bash and GNU userland. Which was installed along 
with Cydia. Much better[4] than the "BSD Subsystem" available on Installer.
- Still no working povray.
- Quite dirty touchscreen.
- Jailbreak-related files scattered on my computer (bad habit of 
downloading and extracting on the nearest convenient directory). Gotta 
clean that up.

[1] http://iphone.nullriver.com/
[2] http://cydia.saurik.com/
[3] http://www.saurik.com/id/2
[4] http://www.saurik.com/id/1, section "BSD Subsystem"

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