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"Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] dev null> wrote in message
news:47af2886$1@news.povray.org...
> Nekar wrote:
>
> > I would say frettless
> > stringed instruments are the most difficult to learn.
>
> Ain't that the truth!
>
> Still, it's not *so* hard after enough practice. The hard thing is that
> the top E string is like cheese wire. You can *hurt* yourself on that
> thing! o_O
>
It sounds like you played the cheese to the e-string once ;'>
eee-eee-KA-TWANK!
=:'o
My 10yr old son Duen is lucky enough to have violin lessons at school. His
teacher said he has natural talent and the potential to become one of the
best violinists or a conductor. He wanted to play lead guitar but I told him
I will teach him when he can play Paganini's 5th Caprice =;)
I'm also planning on having my dads old violin fixed up to help inspire him.
But what I really want to play is contra-bass... Maybe one day when I have
enough money....
-Nekar
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Don't know Radiohead. [Obviously I've heard of them, and I've probably
> heard their music, but I wouldn't recognise it.]
>
> Hmm... this isn't really my taste.
I'm surprised, I must say. They're different enough that you you
shouldn't discount them because you don't like Mogwai (and Radiohead
also has a larger range of styles).
>> Conveniently, the same site also has some tracks by Yes:
>>
>> http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=105
>
> This is a little more like it...
Most of the other top prog albums listed in the site I linked will be in
a style more similar to this, so it might be worth taking a look at some
of the bands that keep appearing (Genesis, King Crimson, Van Der Graff
Generator, etc.)
I'd like to know of modern music that continues in this tradition, but
there's only a couple of bands that I can think of that that are doing
something even remotely similar, and their music tends to be a lot
"heavier". I'm sure with a bit more looking I'll find some though,
there's plenty enough bands out there to get a nice range of styles.
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Tor Olav Kristensen escribió:
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:47:22 +0100, Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:20:53 +0100, Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Actually, I was surprised that the Amazon downloadable Complete LOTR
>>>>>>> soundtracks are in MP3 format. I don't *think* there's any DRM
>>>>>>> involved (which was really surprising).
>>>>>> But maybe they can tell who bought the mp3 file by looking at it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=mp3+watermark+amazon
>>>>> I'm sure they probably can. That's a bit different than DRM, though,
>>>>> which has the explicit stated goal of preventing people from
>>>>> "inappropriate use". Watermarking allows them to act reactivley - and
>>>>> I believe is fairly easy to remove anyways...
>>>>>
>>>>> mplayer -ao pcm:file=temp.wav file.mp3 lame -h temp.wav
>>>>> file-without-watermark.mp3
>>>> Yes, but then you assume that the watermarking is done on the
>>>> bit-level.
>>>>
>>>> What if they change the music somewhat in a way that will survive
>>>> format
>>>> conversion ? (E.g. tiny changes in volume levels within a frequency
>>>> band, small phase shifts, changes in the dynamic range, added noise
>>>> or a
>>>> combination of some of these.)
>>>>
>>>> There will only have to be minor changes to the sound, as they will
>>>> only
>>>> have to encode something like e.g. 30 bits into more than 100s of sound
>>>> in 2 channels.
>>> I'd think that the conversion back and forth would modify an attempt
>>> like this enough. Remember that mp3 encoding is lossy, not lossless.
>>
>> Yes, I know. And to overcome that, just don't make the changes to the
>> sound THAT small.
>
> Yeah, encode the username in the lyrics. Hey, I can hear my name if I
> play this song backwards!
=)
--
Tor Olav
http://subcube.com
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:57:54 +0100, Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
>> I'd think that the conversion back and forth would modify an attempt
>> like this enough. Remember that mp3 encoding is lossy, not lossless.
>
> Yes, I know. And to overcome that, just don't make the changes to the
> sound THAT small.
The thing is, the watermark, in order to be meaningful, would have to re-
encode exactly the same way. Otherwise, you end up with a scrambled
watermark. So you can maybe tell it was there, but not what it was.
Jim
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:05:02 -0500, nemesis wrote:
> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:46:46 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>> > Random snippet: I remember when the school orchestra performed Ode To
>> > Joy. (Don't ask me who wrote that.)
>>
>> Beethoven used it in the last movement of the 9th Symphony, but it's a
>> traditional tune, and I don't know if the authorship is even known.
>> The words were written by Friedrich Schiller (a poet) in 1785, but it's
>> been used in music since 1786; Beethoven's use (the best known) is just
>> one of many uses in music. Even Tchaikovsky used it (which I didn't
>> know).
>
> hmm, you say it's a traditional tune (melody) but I've never heard of
> that. I know after Schiller wrote it, many musicians created music for
> the words, but I think the melody in the 9th is definitely from
> Beethoven. I searched wikipedia and this:
> http://europa.eu/abc/symbols/anthem/index_en.htm
>
> the EU anthem is based on the 9th's Ode to Joy.
>
> is it true it's a traditional tune from before the 9th?
That's what I recall from a music history class I took years ago. I
might be thinking of something else (perhaps "Simple Gifts" from
Appalachian Spring).
Jim
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:58:24 +0200, Nekar wrote:
> It also depends on the type of instrument. I would say a good violinist
> needs to have aquired perfect pitch.
Intonation is certainly important. But that doesn't affect the tonal
quality of the instrument so much.
> If andrew played the piano the same
> way he played the violin it would sound ten times better.
Possibly the other way around, you mean. :-)
> I would say
> frettless stringed instruments are the most difficult to learn.
I always had trouble with the piano. I never took lessons, though, but
my brother did, and I learned to play one or two simple songs; but my
left hand doesn't work the right way to play the piano, and my right hand
is basically stupid - odd, considering I'm right-handled. :-)
But getting things at the right pitch does take some work.
Jim
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:38:35 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Nekar wrote:
>
>> I would say frettless
>> stringed instruments are the most difficult to learn.
>
> Ain't that the truth!
>
> Still, it's not *so* hard after enough practice. The hard thing is that
> the top E string is like cheese wire. You can *hurt* yourself on that
> thing! o_O
That's one of the reasons I've not gotten back into it - no callouses any
more on my fingers...
Jim
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:40:02 -0500, nemesis wrote:
> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:06:36 -0500, nemesis wrote:
>> > no, no, no. Try to love the music for the music itself. Programme
>> > music is so démodé...
>>
>> I have to disagree - you can love music for any number of reasons.
>
> Yes, it's just that few people really do love music for the music
> itself.
For me it depends on the piece. Some pieces, like Bach's Toccata & Fugue
are fantastic pieces in their own right. As you say, the mathematical
constructs are truly incredible.
But at the same time, I'd listen to Moscow Nights because it's a song we
played on the aforementioned concert tour, and the audiences loved it. I
don't have a copy of that one (other than our orchestral recording from
the tour), but I can still hear it in my head and remember things like
getting lost at the Hermitage museum in Leningrad.
> Many associate certain music to special occasions in their
> lives and that's why they enjoy it foremost. Many just enjoy music as a
> way to get together with other people. Few have pleasure with just
> paying attention to it and marvel at the heartpounding transformations
> and transfigurations...
Well, certainly one of the most breathtaking pieces of music ever written
is Barber's Adagio for Strings; most people associate it with the film
_Platoon_, but I think even most people who listen to it who are familiar
with the film can get behind the sheer intensity of the work. That's
another one we played in the USSR, and I can tell you from personal
experience that there is *nothing* like playing that piece - particularly
in the rain at Gorky Park. While I'm not (as you know from previous
discussions) a particularly religious person, that experience alone was
one of the most moving and breathtaking performances I've ever taken part
in. It was truly as if the sky opened up and wept.
It's a pity the rain was significant enough that only 3 or 4 remained in
the audience by the time we finished playing it (after 3 starts that had
to be aborted because of the rain - string instruments are assembled
using water-soluble glue, and on the final attempt we eventually had to
inch the string sections back under the bandshell).
> the most abstract art is also the least really appreciated one...
I don't think that it's unappreciated or even least appreciated; it's
just appreciated in more ways than a physical or visual art form. An
aural medium bypasses the optic nerve and engages the imagination, if the
audio is compelling enough.
Jim
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On 9 Feb 2008 15:39:13 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>I played in a youth orchestra when I was in high school, and the
>conductor was having trouble getting us to learn the Symphonie
>Fantastique,
LOL
When it was written, the professional musicians of the time hated it. It was too
difficult for them. Thirteen timpani detuned to get the effect Berlioz wanted in
the march to the scaffold IIRC.
Regards
Stephen
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On 9 Feb 2008 15:46:28 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:49:37 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> 11CDs SHOSTAKOVICH Complete Symphonies 1-15 Barshai
>
>I got the 10th as I was looking for a recording of the Festival Overture
>and it was on that disc. Third movement brings a vivid image to me of a
>horse-drawn sleigh being pulled quickly across a snowy field for some
>reason.
>
That's my wife's I'll probably be out of the room or even the house, when she
listens to it :)
>How are the others?
>
So far so good
>> CD DVORAK Complete Slavonic Dances Op 46, Op 72 RoyalPO
>> 2CDs DVORAK Slavonic Dances & Other Music for PianoDuet
>
>Now there's something I haven't heard in ages - I think I've only got
>those on cassette (and sheet music for violin solo at that). I'd
>forgotten about those almost entirely.
>
I've not got round to these yet. In fact I've got a backlog that is quite long
:(
Regards
Stephen
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