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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Interesting; I was going to say that I had never heard of a school doing
> that, but we were required to learn recorder, autoharp, and to sing in
> the choir.
I was *also* in the choir. You know, when we had one...
>> Um, OK. So it's *me* that's naff. :-|
>
> No, it just takes practice - years of practice - to get good sound out of
> an instrument (doesn't matter what). I can make my violin make horrible
> sounds as well - it has to do with getting the right pressure and speed
> of the bow across the strings - too much pressure and not enough speed,
> and it sounds exactly like you described.
>
> There also is a factor of the instrument itself as well; each instrument
> has different tonal factors.
Yeah, well... It's an *old*, cheap school violin. So I had assumed it
was just naff. But like I said, the teacher had no trouble getting the
most beautiful notes out of it, so it can't have been that busted...
Random snippet: I remember when the school orchestra performed Ode To
Joy. (Don't ask me who wrote that.) Our teacher was very strict. She
could tell I was playing the tune rather than reading the music, so she
moved me from 1st violin to 3rd violin, because there is no way in hell
you could play that from memory.
Anyway, the piece starts off telling you to play very softly. And then
after a while it says play a little louder - but just a little. And then
it's like... forte. [OK, I give the bow a little more elbow.]
Double-forte. [OK. I press down a bit harder and really *work* those
strings.]
Triple-forte. [Uh... OK, let me bow a bit faster...]
QUADRUPLE-FORTE!! [Dude... what? This thing doesn't *go* any louder!!]
Still, with a couple of cellos and hons going - not to mention the music
teacher taking the bottom notes of the school piano a lively workout -
it sounded pretty damn good.
Fact: It's almost impossible to hold a violin comfortably while wearing
a school blazer with huge shoulder pads... >_<
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Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Music is the art of transformation. It's math that pleases the ears and
>> the soul. The story it presents is entirely subjective from individual
>> to individual.
>
> This is certainly true, though - you can hear stories even if there isn't
> one. For example, there is one part of Mozart's Requiem that invokes for
> me a chase through the woods. It was used in Amadeus, and oddly enough,
> the images they used were pretty close to what it invoked for me visually
> prior to seeing the film.
>
> That was really cool.
I almost always find that when [if] I get to see the music video for my
favorite tune, it looks nothing like what you'd expect. Oh well!
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:46:46 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> Interesting; I was going to say that I had never heard of a school
>> doing that, but we were required to learn recorder, autoharp, and to
>> sing in the choir.
>
> I was *also* in the choir. You know, when we had one...
I couldn't sing to save my life. I mostly didn't sing, just went through
the motions.
>>> Um, OK. So it's *me* that's naff. :-|
>>
>> No, it just takes practice - years of practice - to get good sound out
>> of an instrument (doesn't matter what). I can make my violin make
>> horrible sounds as well - it has to do with getting the right pressure
>> and speed of the bow across the strings - too much pressure and not
>> enough speed, and it sounds exactly like you described.
>>
>> There also is a factor of the instrument itself as well; each
>> instrument has different tonal factors.
>
> Yeah, well... It's an *old*, cheap school violin. So I had assumed it
> was just naff. But like I said, the teacher had no trouble getting the
> most beautiful notes out of it, so it can't have been that busted...
Well, there are lots of different tonal qualities you can get. Comparing
my violin (a copy of a Guineri) to, say, Pearlman's Stradavarius, there's
no comparison in the tone. Pearlman's Strad is one of the most fantastic
sounding instruments out there (similarly, there are few cellos that can
rival the sound from Yo Yo Ma's Strad). My violin only cost about $1500
back when my parents bought it; Pearlman's Strad is worth millions.
> Random snippet: I remember when the school orchestra performed Ode To
> Joy. (Don't ask me who wrote that.)
Beethoven used it in the last movement of the 9th Symphony, but it's a
traditional tune, and I don't know if the authorship is even known. The
words were written by Friedrich Schiller (a poet) in 1785, but it's been
used in music since 1786; Beethoven's use (the best known) is just one of
many uses in music. Even Tchaikovsky used it (which I didn't know).
> Our teacher was very strict. She
> could tell I was playing the tune rather than reading the music, so she
> moved me from 1st violin to 3rd violin, because there is no way in hell
> you could play that from memory.
Heh, maybe not at first, but eventually you learn to just memorise the
music on the page - it's easier that way. I played 1st and 2nd violin
parts myself, depending on which orchestra and at which time. In the
school orchestras, I always played 1st violin (and my senior year, 1st
chair), but in the youth orchestra it varied.
> Anyway, the piece starts off telling you to play very softly. And then
> after a while it says play a little louder - but just a little. And then
> it's like... forte. [OK, I give the bow a little more elbow.]
>
> Double-forte. [OK. I press down a bit harder and really *work* those
> strings.]
>
> Triple-forte. [Uh... OK, let me bow a bit faster...]
>
> QUADRUPLE-FORTE!! [Dude... what? This thing doesn't *go* any louder!!]
Well, it's also a factor of the number of people in the section. :-)
> Still, with a couple of cellos and hons going - not to mention the music
> teacher taking the bottom notes of the school piano a lively workout -
> it sounded pretty damn good.
That was the thing that surprised me the most; the school orchestra
conductor I started with in high school (and had all through jr. high
school) would have us play unarranged music (ie, he'd use the original
scores) and we'd sound not too bad. Listening to recordings now, they
sound amateurish, but compared to sitting in the orchestra actually
playing the music, we sounded really good.
The youth orchestra I was in in high school (my junior year) went to
Russia on a concert tour - so some of the music in my collection is
professional recordings of the pieces we played on that tour.
> Fact: It's almost impossible to hold a violin comfortably while wearing
> a school blazer with huge shoulder pads... >_<
I could see that, even with a proper shoulder rest, you need a fairly
solid shoulder underneath it.
Jim
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:48:03 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>>> Music is the art of transformation. It's math that pleases the ears
>>> and the soul. The story it presents is entirely subjective from
>>> individual to individual.
>>
>> This is certainly true, though - you can hear stories even if there
>> isn't one. For example, there is one part of Mozart's Requiem that
>> invokes for me a chase through the woods. It was used in Amadeus, and
>> oddly enough, the images they used were pretty close to what it invoked
>> for me visually prior to seeing the film.
>>
>> That was really cool.
>
> I almost always find that when [if] I get to see the music video for my
> favorite tune, it looks nothing like what you'd expect. Oh well!
Well, that's also just fine - doesn't make your imagination any better or
worse than the imaginations of those who came up with the video.
Film music is fun to do that with if you haven't seen the film yet. I
did that with the Untouchables soundtrack, and it was surprising with
some of the music how close I was to what was in the movie, and at other
times how very far off I was.
Jim
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>> I almost always find that when [if] I get to see the music video for my
>> favorite tune, it looks nothing like what you'd expect. Oh well!
>
> Well, that's also just fine - doesn't make your imagination any better or
> worse than the imaginations of those who came up with the video.
>
> Film music is fun to do that with if you haven't seen the film yet. I
> did that with the Untouchables soundtrack, and it was surprising with
> some of the music how close I was to what was in the movie, and at other
> times how very far off I was.
Interesting thing: I have the soundtrack to Cats and Phantom of the
Opera. However, I haven't seen the shows. I wonder what they're actually
like? Hmm... could be amusing! ;-)
OTOH, I've also heard that horrible Time Warp song. Not sure I wanna
know what the show is like! (Amy tells me "if you haven't seen the Rocky
Horror Show, you must be a virgin!" How perceptive...)
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On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:06:29 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>>> I almost always find that when [if] I get to see the music video for
>>> my favorite tune, it looks nothing like what you'd expect. Oh well!
>>
>> Well, that's also just fine - doesn't make your imagination any better
>> or worse than the imaginations of those who came up with the video.
>>
>> Film music is fun to do that with if you haven't seen the film yet. I
>> did that with the Untouchables soundtrack, and it was surprising with
>> some of the music how close I was to what was in the movie, and at
>> other times how very far off I was.
>
> Interesting thing: I have the soundtrack to Cats and Phantom of the
> Opera. However, I haven't seen the shows. I wonder what they're actually
> like? Hmm... could be amusing! ;-)
<g>
> OTOH, I've also heard that horrible Time Warp song. Not sure I wanna
> know what the show is like! (Amy tells me "if you haven't seen the Rocky
> Horror Show, you must be a virgin!" How perceptive...)
Actually, the film itself is quite funny (and very strange). The music
also isn't to my taste entirely, but I found the film entertaining at
least. It's a cult classic, so it's one of those things you either like
or you don't - I don't know that there's much of a middle ground.
Jim
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> OTOH, I've also heard that horrible Time Warp song. Not sure I wanna know
> what the show is like! (Amy tells me "if you haven't seen the Rocky Horror
> Show, you must be a virgin!" How perceptive...)
There's no much point in watching The Rocky Horror Picture Show if you're
not in a theater with dozens of guys (and girls) in garter belts and panty
hoses throwing rice and water and shouting every line before they appear on
screen. If you ever find yourself in Paris, go to the Studio Galande either
on Friday or Saturday.
http://90plan.ovh.net/~rocky/frame.html?id=0}
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Gail Shaw wrote:
> "andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmail com> wrote in message
> news:47A### [at] hotmailcom...
>
>> I recently bought Paris Moon by Blackmore's Night (yes, the guy from
>> deep purple). I do like it but am not sure what category that would be.
>
> Another Blackmore's Night fan.
Fan may be a big word. I just recently came across them. I happen to
know a record shop where the owner knows something about music and knows
my taste. Then again, I don't know why it took 10 years to mention them.
> I recommend you try their albums Fires at
> Midnight (especially the song on it of the same title) and The Village
> Lantern (and again, especially the song of the same title)
>
Both songs are on the Paris Moon DVD and CD. Yet, I think I am indeed
going to buy some more, thanks for the suggestions. And yes that'll be
in the form of shiny discs. I still like physical things.
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> OTOH, I've also heard that horrible Time Warp song. Not sure I wanna
> know what the show is like! (Amy tells me "if you haven't seen the Rocky
> Horror Show, you must be a virgin!" How perceptive...)
>
What she didn't tell you is that 'virgin' is the technical term the
stage groups use to refer to folks who haven't seen it live. Seeing the
movie is one thing, watching it at a theater is another. And seeing it
in a theater with a group of people acting out side scenes, the audience
changing the script and shouting lines back at the film, while throwing
rice at each other, and dancing to most of the songs . . . is a
completely different experience.
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Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 05:06:36 -0500, nemesis wrote:
> > no, no, no. Try to love the music for the music itself. Programme
> > music is so démodé...
>
> I have to disagree - you can love music for any number of reasons.
Yes, it's just that few people really do love music for the music itself. Many
associate certain music to special occasions in their lives and that's why they
enjoy it foremost. Many just enjoy music as a way to get together with other
people. Few have pleasure with just paying attention to it and marvel at the
heartpounding transformations and transfigurations...
the most abstract art is also the least really appreciated one...
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