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Shay wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
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> > While I haven't read the book, I talked to my brother who had.
> > According to what he said, you're incorrect. Many people react the
> > same way to music, inside the brain at least.
> >
>
> I'm no expert, but this doesn't "ring true." I feel like I have
> completely different reactions "inside the brain" to different types of
> music and that non-music things sometimes produce identical reactions to
> some types of music. So, everyone's reacting to "music" in such a
> universal way seems impossible. I suppose much depends on the "music"
> used in the study. I could buy that most people react the same way to
> Wagner ... but to Ween??
>
> -Shay
You can have completely different reactions to different types of music
but how do you know what components or the reaction are brain dependent.
I mean two people may react differently to music, even to the point
where one doesn't even recognize the stimulus *as* being music, yet
there may still be commonalities in how their brain function is
affected. It has always been my naive belief, for instance, that
classical music with its pace and intricacies appealed more to the mind,
while rock with its pounding rhythms was more addressed to the body,
(even to the point of perceiving rock music directly through the tactile
sensors of the body.) Now I can even imagine that those different styles
actually induce activities in the brain in different ways in connection
with the different characteristics and qualities of the music. But I
can also imagine that those same brain patterns are the same in widely
different people, and can still lead to very different interpretations
of the stimulus, including if it is music at all, if it is music I like,
if it is music that suits my present mood etc. Maybe some people or
some cultures don't like having their pelvises awakened. Or maybe, as
Warp points out, they never learned that this stimulus was supposed to
have that effect. Yet their brain could be reacting just like the other
guys brain.
Hoping Darren keeps us updated on this book.
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Shay wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
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> > While I haven't read the book, I talked to my brother who had.
> > According to what he said, you're incorrect. Many people react the
> > same way to music, inside the brain at least.
> >
>
> I'm no expert, but this doesn't "ring true."
I also remember he said it discussed things like why some music sounds
omnious/spooky, while other music sounds triumphant, why some makes you
tap your foot and others make you nod your head.
I think you'd probably agree that you don't have to like the theme from
Jaws to get apprehensive when you hear it, and you don't have to like
classical music to agree that Ode to Joy is not a sad song.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
It's not feature creep if you put it
at the end and adjust the release date.
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Perhaps I may be wrong, but I agree with the fact, that every human has same
biological reactions to a stimulus:
Hearing it -> the stimulus, translated to electric pulses, triggers the
distribution of electrical signals from neuron to neuron to that part of brain,
which interpretes it.
I thought, I read somewhere, that any sound (independent from what it is (noise,
music...)) might be at first stress for the body.
But it really depends on the volume. Listening to loud music is similar to
physical pain, also if the person likes to listen to that music.
On the other hand there are therapies using special frequencies to ease pain of
patients.
Regarding to these observations humans have to have similar brain reactions in a
biological way.
Regards
bluetree
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BTW I don't know, what effect might music have to animals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfh4Vih1_G8
:-) Nice bird.
bluetree
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"bluetree" wrote:
> BTW I don't know, what effect might music have to animals.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfh4Vih1_G8
>
> :-) Nice bird.
ROFL!
OMG it has far more sense of rythm than my girlfriend... :P
Rune
--
http://runevision.com
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"Rune" <aut### [at] runevision com> wrote:
> "bluetree" wrote:
> > BTW I don't know, what effect might music have to animals.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfh4Vih1_G8
> >
> > :-) Nice bird.
>
> ROFL!
>
> OMG it has far more sense of rythm than my girlfriend... :P
Rough.
Be glad, that she doesn't read your post, does she. ;-)
But to tell the truth, it is quite more lithesome than myself. :-D
bluetree
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"bluetree" wrote:
> "Rune" wrote:
>> "bluetree" wrote:
>> > BTW I don't know, what effect might music have to animals.
>> >
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfh4Vih1_G8
>> >
>> > :-) Nice bird.
>>
>> ROFL!
>>
>> OMG it has far more sense of rythm than my girlfriend... :P
>
> Rough.
> Be glad, that she doesn't read your post, does she. ;-)
No, but I don't think she'd mind though. She's the first to admit that she
doesn't have much rythm, and besides, she have a sense of humor. ;) Also,
she's improving.
> But to tell the truth, it is quite more lithesome than myself. :-D
Quite more than me too... :P
Rune
--
http://runevision.com
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Darren New wrote:
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> I think you'd probably agree that you don't have to like the theme
> from Jaws to get apprehensive when you hear it, and you don't have
> to like classical music to agree that Ode to Joy is not a sad
> song.
That's almost cheating. Songs could easily be chosen for which the
response is not as obvious.
How about "Foggy Mountain Breakdown"?
Singing monks make some apprehensive, some pensive, some rapturous.
Bach: ominous on organ - regal on harpsichord.
It's easy to make the case in the book when we select from genre-ized
music which has already been squeezed into categories based on how it
makes most people feel.
-Shay
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Jim Charter wrote:
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> You can have completely different reactions to different types of
> music but how do you know what components or the reaction are brain
> dependent.
Mood. Triggered memory. Pulse rate. All seem obviously "instinctive (or
strongly conditioned) and subconscious."
-Shay
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"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
news:47952017$1@news.povray.org...
> Warp wrote:
>> That may be a *conscious*, learned way of reacting, but I think the
>> subject
>> was about how the brain reacts instinctively, subconsciously.
>
> Yah. I mean, everyone reacts to getting punched in the nose by feeling
> pain. It's the *response* to that, running away, punching back, crying,
> that differs. That's what I'm trying to say there.
>
> I'll bring it up again after I actually read the book. :-)
Or get punched on the nose... ;) Heh.
~Steve~
>
> --
> Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
> It's not feature creep if you put it
> at the end and adjust the release date.
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