Mueen Nawaz <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> >   If Trinity can manipulate the simulated physics in the virtual world,
> > surely she can also manipulate the way in which her victim physically
> > reacts to her kick?

>         That's a stretch.

  It may be retconning, but it's still plausible.

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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>   If Trinity can manipulate the simulated physics in the virtual world,
> surely she can also manipulate the way in which her victim physically
> reacts to her kick?

  Another possible explanation is that by tampering the physics routine
of the simulation for herself she also causes perturbances and errors,
deliberate or not, to objects se interacts with during the tampering.

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Warp wrote:
>   I recently was at a home where they were watching TV and I got to watch
> it from really close. I was shocked at the bad quality of the image! It was
> full of mpeg compression artifacts.

So it's not just me.  (Probably the same thing in the USA going on.)

But then, I also notice compression artifacts on the analog TV 
sometimes, because some part of the transfer from camera to TV goes 
through a digital link.  Especially noticable if you (say) look at the 
crowd behind a football player as he runs down the field with the camera 
tracking.

First noticed watching Tour de France, when you (well, we) had the extra 
problem of translating PAL frame rates to NTSC. Very disturbing. :-)

>   With digital TV, however, bad reception means that the broadcast stops
> playing at moments.

Yeah, and Sprint has the fewest dropped calls. How do they do it? They 
turn up the time-out from 4 seconds to 9 seconds, so if you lose the 
call for 6 seconds, it's not a dropped call, even tho there's no sound 
going either way. :-)

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Warp wrote:
>   Inside the virtual world anything is possible, so no physical laws apply.

Oh, I thought the "perpetual motion" bit was referring to tapping the 
electricity of humans being fed other humans. :-) I mean, the energy has 
to come from *somewhere*.  At least Zion had a credible power source.

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Warp wrote:
>   It sounds plausible also with the overly long jumps: They just can't
> manipulate the system to transport them to the roof of the other building.

And it makes sense that the agents could do much more, including 
"teleporting" somewhere else by taking over a different 
human-simulation. </geek>

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Oh, I thought the "perpetual motion" bit was referring to tapping the 
> electricity of humans being fed other humans. :-) I mean, the energy has 
> to come from *somewhere*.

  Well, the people would need to be fed somehow, so it comes from food?

  Of course a different question is that the entire humans-used-for-energy
is completely implausible because humans are poor batteries, and there
certainly are much efficient ways to convert natural resources to energy.
That's the reason why many fans decide to ignore that explanation and retcon
it so that the people are actually used for computing power, not as energy
sources. (Of course this also is an implausible explanation because it's,
once again, not a very energy-efficient way of getting computing power...)

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Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> Oh, I thought the "perpetual motion" bit was referring to tapping the 
>> electricity of humans being fed other humans. :-) I mean, the energy has 
>> to come from *somewhere*.
> 
>   Well, the people would need to be fed somehow, so it comes from food?
> 
>   Of course a different question is that the entire humans-used-for-energy
> is completely implausible because humans are poor batteries, and there
> certainly are much efficient ways to convert natural resources to energy.
> That's the reason why many fans decide to ignore that explanation and retcon
> it so that the people are actually used for computing power, not as energy
> sources. (Of course this also is an implausible explanation because it's,
> once again, not a very energy-efficient way of getting computing power...)

Maybe the 'power' being extracted isn't electrical or purely 
computative; imagination is something computers are traditionally bad at 
that one would assume if it could somehow be harnessed, humans are 
convenient sources thereof.  *shrug*

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Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> Oh, I thought the "perpetual motion" bit was referring to tapping the 
>> electricity of humans being fed other humans. :-) I mean, the energy has 
>> to come from *somewhere*.
> 
>   Well, the people would need to be fed somehow, so it comes from food?

I believe at one point they stated they were fed from the bodies of the 
dead. If you "scorch the sky" so that solar-powered robots can't 
continue to function, I'm not sure you can grow enough photosynthetic 
food to feed the people from which you extract electricity.

Of course, that's beside the point of the movie. :-)

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In article <47645798$1@news.povray.org>, z99### [at] bellsouthnet says...
> Warp wrote:
> > Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> >> Oh, I thought the "perpetual motion" bit was referring to tapping the
 
> >> electricity of humans being fed other humans. :-) I mean, the energy h
as 
> >> to come from *somewhere*.
> > 
> >   Well, the people would need to be fed somehow, so it comes from food?
> > 
> >   Of course a different question is that the entire humans-used-for-ene
rgy
> > is completely implausible because humans are poor batteries, and there
> > certainly are much efficient ways to convert natural resources to energ
y.
> > That's the reason why many fans decide to ignore that explanation and r
etcon
> > it so that the people are actually used for computing power, not as ene
rgy
> > sources. (Of course this also is an implausible explanation because it'
s,
> > once again, not a very energy-efficient way of getting computing power.
..)
> 
> Maybe the 'power' being extracted isn't electrical or purely 
> computative; imagination is something computers are traditionally bad at
 
> that one would assume if it could somehow be harnessed, humans are 
> convenient sources thereof.  *shrug*
> 
Actually, the explanation was, "a combination of human electrical power 
and blah, blah micro fusion", or some similar gibberish. Kind of like 
the people where being used as a startup battery to keep the main energy 
system running, and it was so closely tied into the network of power 
that you couldn't unplug all the people, without having the system shut 
down. Though, why they didn't use some of that power to make something 
else, which wouldn't need that...

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Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> Oh, I thought the "perpetual motion" bit was referring to tapping the 
>> electricity of humans being fed other humans. :-) I mean, the energy has 
>> to come from *somewhere*.
> 
>   Well, the people would need to be fed somehow, so it comes from food?
> 
>   Of course a different question is that the entire humans-used-for-energy
> is completely implausible because humans are poor batteries, and there
> certainly are much efficient ways to convert natural resources to energy.
> That's the reason why many fans decide to ignore that explanation and retcon
> it so that the people are actually used for computing power, not as energy
> sources. (Of course this also is an implausible explanation because it's,
> once again, not a very energy-efficient way of getting computing power...)

I seem to recall reading that operating frequency of the human brain is 
on the order of 40Hz.

I wonder how long it would take a human brain to render POV-Ray...

Regards,
John

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