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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Word processors
Date: 7 Nov 2007 03:10:00
Message: <web.47317222c45149ff726bd13c0@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>
> > Just wait until Word 2099 and then it will fix whats wrong before you can ask it
> > :)
>
> What, like this?

Yes, is it a Beta?

LOL


Stephen


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Word processors
Date: 7 Nov 2007 03:16:45
Message: <4731746d$1@news.povray.org>
>  I have for long wondered why companies are so eager to tie their vital
> documents to a closed proprietary format owned by one company who has sole
> control on when and how the format is supported.

Well if worst comes to worst, you just don't install the newer version of 
the software.  Anyway I don't think MS would last long if their latest 
version of Word didn't allow imports from previous versions - I wouldn't 
worry.

And if worst comes to absolute worse (like Word2009 only allows you to open 
Word2009 files and nothing else) then you'd probably stick with Word2008 
until MS released an update (along with every other company in the world) or 
start using OpenOffice (which someone would no doubt have written a very 
good Word2008 importer for).

The bottom line is the benefits of using MS Office far outweigh any risk of 
all your documents suddenly becoming unusable.


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From: somebody
Subject: Re: Word processors
Date: 7 Nov 2007 07:21:29
Message: <4731adc9$1@news.povray.org>
"Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote

> how to use styles in that either. (At least, not very reliably.) I
> wanted to be able to say "haha, Word sucks, OOW is better", but I can't
> because it's not true. Is that bais?

No, but it's bias. All software has bugs, is suboptimal, often bloated...
etc. I have yet to find a perfect software. Word processing is a very broad
task, it's guaranteed than some of the users will be unhappy. That neither
OO, TeX or anybody else got it "right" should tell you that it's not just
MS's fault. To top it off, often, there's a big major dilemma between
maintaining backwards compatibility and doing it right.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Word processors
Date: 7 Nov 2007 12:07:02
Message: <4731f0b6@news.povray.org>
scott <sco### [at] laptopcom> wrote:
> benefits of using MS Office

  What benefits would those be?

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Word processors
Date: 7 Nov 2007 12:33:21
Message: <4731f6e1$1@news.povray.org>
scott nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/11/07 03:16:
>>  I have for long wondered why companies are so eager to tie their vital
>> documents to a closed proprietary format owned by one company who has 
>> sole
>> control on when and how the format is supported.
> 
> Well if worst comes to worst, you just don't install the newer version 
> of the software.  Anyway I don't think MS would last long if their 
> latest version of Word didn't allow imports from previous versions - I 
> wouldn't worry.
> 
> And if worst comes to absolute worse (like Word2009 only allows you to 
> open Word2009 files and nothing else) then you'd probably stick with 
> Word2008 until MS released an update (along with every other company in 
> the world) or start using OpenOffice (which someone would no doubt have 
> written a very good Word2008 importer for).
> 
> The bottom line is the benefits of using MS Office far outweigh any risk 
> of all your documents suddenly becoming unusable.
> 
> 
Word can only import from the previous 2, maybe 3, versions. If you have 
upgraded through more than that many versions, you can import from older 
versions, dating back about 2 versions before the first version that you actualy 
installed. The problem is that you loose that capacity if you get a new computer 
and forget to transfert all your old convertion filters.
Whenever you need to access any old document that have not been accessed for 
more than 3 or 4 years, you run the risk of not been able do to it, as you may 
no longer have the appropriate filters.

-- 
Alain
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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear
arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
government.
Thomas Jefferson


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Word processors
Date: 7 Nov 2007 14:27:27
Message: <4732119f$1@news.povray.org>
>> benefits of using MS Office
>
>  What benefits would those be?

That everyone knows how to use them, they work with all your other software, 
and you can share files with your suppliers and customers hassle-free.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Word processors
Date: 7 Nov 2007 14:32:17
Message: <473212c1$1@news.povray.org>
> Word can only import from the previous 2, maybe 3, versions. If you have 
> upgraded through more than that many versions, you can import from older 
> versions, dating back about 2 versions before the first version that you 
> actualy installed. The problem is that you loose that capacity if you get 
> a new computer and forget to transfert all your old convertion filters.
>
> Whenever you need to access any old document that have not been accessed 
> for more than 3 or 4 years, you run the risk of not been able do to it, as 
> you may no longer have the appropriate filters.

Hmm, my Word 2003 looks like it will open Word 6 files (1995?), which is 8 
years.

So you're saying that if your company was based on Word 5, and then upgraded 
to Word 2003, you would get stuck?  Well yeh, you probably would, but I'm 
pretty sure there would be a cheap solution to converting, even if it meant 
buying an intermediate copy of Word to help with the conversions.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Word processors
Date: 7 Nov 2007 16:18:24
Message: <47322b9f@news.povray.org>
scott <sco### [at] laptopcom> wrote:
> >> benefits of using MS Office
> >
> >  What benefits would those be?

> That everyone knows how to use them, they work with all your other software, 
> and you can share files with your suppliers and customers hassle-free.

  It was a rhetorical question.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Gilles Tran
Subject: Re: Word processors
Date: 7 Nov 2007 16:32:07
Message: <47322ed7$1@news.povray.org>

4731f6e1$1@news.povray.org...
> Word can only import from the previous 2, maybe 3, versions. If you have 
> upgraded through more than that many versions, you can import from older 
> versions, dating back about 2 versions before the first version that you 
> actualy installed. The problem is that you loose that capacity if you get 
> a new computer and forget to transfert all your old convertion filters.
> Whenever you need to access any old document that have not been accessed 
> for more than 3 or 4 years, you run the risk of not been able do to it, as 
> you may no longer have the appropriate filters.

Uh? For the fun of it, I just tested if I could open some Word files I wrote 
in 1988 and apart warning me about the potential security issues with MS-DOS 
Word 3/5 files, it opened them just fine and even recognised the style 
sheets. I don't think that maintaining 20-year old conversion filters is 
such a big hassle for Microsoft.

G.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Word processors
Date: 7 Nov 2007 17:32:05
Message: <47323ce5@news.povray.org>
>> >  What benefits would those be?
>
>> That everyone knows how to use them, they work with all your other 
>> software,
>> and you can share files with your suppliers and customers hassle-free.
>
>  It was a rhetorical question.

Bit of a stupid one then.


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