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cdbaric <CD Baric> wrote:
> I could have sworn I installed a GUI povray for Linux on a clients machine a
> couple years ago.
I bet you installed kpovmodeller.
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- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> cdbaric <CD Baric> wrote:
>> I could have sworn I installed a GUI povray for Linux on a clients machine a
>> couple years ago.
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> I bet you installed kpovmodeller.
>
Seconded.
The GUI "part" of Povray for Unix is a separate program.
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You know you've been raytracing too long when you seriously entertain
thoughts about learning C so you can improve POV-Ray without waiting for
the POV Team to do it.
Taps a.k.a. Tapio Vocadlo
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William Tracy <wtr### [at] calpoly edu> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > cdbaric <CD Baric> wrote:
> >> I could have sworn I installed a GUI povray for Linux on a clients machine a
> >> couple years ago.
> > I bet you installed kpovmodeller.
> The GUI "part" of Povray for Unix is a separate program.
I am pretty sure that is not it.
I am digging through all my backups to see if I can find it.
Any recommendations for a Linux GUI? kpovmodler looks a little out of date.
It is hard to believe people are creating these beautiful pictures only
using a command line interface.
Thank for the input - I will keep you apprised.
Bar
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cdbaric <CD Baric> wrote:
> It is hard to believe people are creating these beautiful pictures only
> using a command line interface.
Why is it hard to believe?
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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> cdbaric <CD Baric> wrote:
> > It is hard to believe people are creating these beautiful pictures only
> > using a command line interface.
>
> Why is it hard to believe?
>
> --
> - Warp
Simple - when I draw an object, I have a visualization of what the finished
object should look like. I look at what I have drawn and compare it with
that visualization.
I love and use the command line interface for many tasks, including ripping
DVDs and CDs BUT creating a visual experience without instant visual
feedback seems to me to be unintuitive - how can it be otherwise.
Bar
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cdbaric wrote:
> Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>
>>cdbaric <CD Baric> wrote:
>>
>>>It is hard to believe people are creating these beautiful pictures only
>>>using a command line interface.
>>
>> Why is it hard to believe?
>>
>>--
>> - Warp
>
>
> Simple - when I draw an object, I have a visualization of what the finished
> object should look like. I look at what I have drawn and compare it with
> that visualization.
>
> I love and use the command line interface for many tasks, including ripping
> DVDs and CDs BUT creating a visual experience without instant visual
> feedback seems to me to be unintuitive - how can it be otherwise.
>
> Bar
Hmmm... It sounds to me like you're talking about a modeler and not
POV-Ray. POV-Ray itself does not provide "instant visual feedback",
with or without a GUI.
Personally, I'm comfortable with the CLI in Linux, but I also run the
Windows GUI version, so I'm familiar with both. (But expert with
neither.) ;-)
-=- Larry -=-
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cdbaric nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 27-04-2007 21:00:
> Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>> cdbaric <CD Baric> wrote:
>>> It is hard to believe people are creating these beautiful pictures only
>>> using a command line interface.
>> Why is it hard to believe?
>> --
>> - Warp
> Simple - when I draw an object, I have a visualization of what the finished
> object should look like. I look at what I have drawn and compare it with
> that visualization.
> I love and use the command line interface for many tasks, including ripping
> DVDs and CDs BUT creating a visual experience without instant visual
> feedback seems to me to be unintuitive - how can it be otherwise.
> Bar
POV-Ray is a renderer, it is NOT a modeler, and, even with the UI of the windows
version, you don't have any "instant" visual feedback, only an integrated text
editor. To see the state of your work, you need to start a render.
With the windows version, and I beleive the Mac version (correct me if I'm
wrong), you get the conveniance of a button to start a render, a drop-list to
select your resolution, a small "command line" text box to enter various
parameters that stay until you change them, tabed edition pages.
The applications that offer a visualisation, are mostly mesh based using openGL
or direct-draw.
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Alain
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If you're ever about to be mugged by a couple of clowns, don't hesitate - go for
the juggler.
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Alain <ele### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> cdbaric nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 27-04-2007 21:00:
> > Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> >> cdbaric <CD Baric> wrote:
> >>> It is hard to believe people are creating these beautiful pictures only
> >>> using a command line interface.
> >> Why is it hard to believe?
>
> >> --
> >> - Warp
>
> > Simple - when I draw an object, I have a visualization of what the finished
> > object should look like. I look at what I have drawn and compare it with
> > that visualization.
>
> > I love and use the command line interface for many tasks, including ripping
> > DVDs and CDs BUT creating a visual experience without instant visual
> > feedback seems to me to be unintuitive - how can it be otherwise.
>
> > Bar
>
>
> POV-Ray is a renderer, it is NOT a modeler, and, even with the UI of the windows
> version, you don't have any "instant" visual feedback, only an integrated text
> editor. To see the state of your work, you need to start a render.
> With the windows version, and I beleive the Mac version (correct me if I'm
> wrong), you get the conveniance of a button to start a render, a drop-list to
> select your resolution, a small "command line" text box to enter various
> parameters that stay until you change them, tabed edition pages.
>
> The applications that offer a visualisation, are mostly mesh based using openGL
> or direct-draw.
Thank you all for your feedback.
It is clear I do not understand the function of a renderer.
I do appreciate your polite explanations.
Sincerely,
CD 'Bar' Baric
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cdbaric <CD Baric> wrote:
> Simple - when I draw an object, I have a visualization of what the finished
> object should look like. I look at what I have drawn and compare it with
> that visualization.
> I love and use the command line interface for many tasks, including ripping
> DVDs and CDs BUT creating a visual experience without instant visual
> feedback seems to me to be unintuitive - how can it be otherwise.
Not everyone needs a graphical modeller to create 3D scenes. Many
people visualize what they want in their head and, having experience
with three-dimensional cartesian coordinates they can enter the parameters
mostly correctly (fine-tuning them with the aid of test renders).
It's easier than it sounds when said like that. It just requires some
experience.
One would justly ask: Ok, many people can do that, but why bother? Why
not use a graphical modeller which makes things much easier?
Fair question. The problem is that there exists no good modeller for
povray which all people like. Also, in some cases modellers impose
limitations when trying to perform tasks which are mundane with a scripting
language. Many people just don't feel the need to use a graphical modeller
for the simple tasks they want to perform with povray.
Sometimes it's fun. For example, consider this image of mine:
http://warp.povusers.org/pics/RubiksRevenge2.jpg
I made it with POV-Ray's scripting language (without any modellers),
and I made it so that I can easily rotate the pieces in the cube with
simple commands. The script automatically calculates the end result
after rotating each piece, exactly as the real thing works. (Those
cubes in that image have been created by performing, in script, the
exact same rotations which are needed to create the same result in
the real cube.)
Or consider this (also made 100% with scripting, no modellers):
http://warp.povusers.org/pics/Chess.jpg
I made the script so that I can enter the moves of the game in an
easy syntax as a string. The script parses the string and moves the
pieces according to it, removing eaten pieces (and putting them on the
side of the board). This way I can easily reconstruct any position of
any game with the scene file.
This also uses scripting to create the position (although it doesn't
reproduce a game, just the position):
http://warp.povusers.org/pics/Goban.jpg
If I had to "manually" enter all the pieces (even if it's with the
mouse), it would be a load of work.
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> Or consider this (also made 100% with scripting, no modellers):
> http://warp.povusers.org/pics/Chess.jpg
Wow, I hadn't seen that before.
That's a really nice chess set. :-)
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You know you've been raytracing too long when you can no longer tell the
difference between the top raytracing book and the "Raytracing for
Dummies" book. To you, they're both hopelessly uninformed.
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