"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:
> "Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecmo> schreef in bericht
> news:46012d4d$1@news.povray.org...
> >
> > This?
> > http://hof.povray.org/capriccio.html
> > It was a group project, but not quite "ping-pong" like Kyle described.
> >
> No, no! That was indeed a group project. No, there was a ping pong going on
> between two guys...
>
> Thomas

Rune or Slime might have been involved in the Gnip Gnop as James Thurber
called it

Stephen

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Christian Froeschlin <chr### [at] chrfrde> wrote:
> > I like the "round-robin" variation of the ping-pong idea.
>
> I came up with the following variation ...
> 0. A round is opened by posting a starting image for generation 0
>     and declaring a ping interval P (in days, probably)...
>
This sounds even better.  My NEW new plan is to post a generation zero
"ping" image on Sunday 03/25/07 if nobody else posts one prior to 12:00 GMT
on that date.

> I am aware that rule 1 is completely unnecessary, but leaving
> it out would probably have strengthened prejudices on the poor
> communication skills of mathematicians ;)
>
Roughly half way between Harvard and M.I.T. lies a quaint little district
known as "The Village."  There, in a local grocery store, a cashier noticed
that a professorial type who was wearing a tweed coat with corduroy patches
on the elbows, sporting a neatly trimmed bead and smoking a pipe was
blithely pushing a cart filled to the brim with copious items up to her
resister - which was clearly labeled with a sign reading "10 Items or
Less".  Hands on hips, she stared at him and asked curtly, "OK... which is
it?"

"Beg pardon?" he responded.

"Which is it," she clarified, "M.I.T. and can't read or Harvard and can't
count?"

Regards,
-Mike C.

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I don't think it needs to be that complicated.  I think you should just 
reply to any message in the thread, and include your own new image and 
modified source.

I've already started this in the p.b.i group.

...Chambers

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Kyle <hob### [at] gatenet> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:50:34 EST, "swampie" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
>
> >Comments Please?
>
>
> Instead of having a contest, how about having a round of ping-pong?  One player
creates a basic scene, and then anoth
er player takes that scene and adds his/her twist to it.  The scene then goes back
> and forth between the players for a predefined number of rounds.  Each pass between
the players can be posted in povr
ay.binaries.images and povray.binaries.scene-files so that everyone can observe the
> progress.
>
> Perhaps instead of just two players, it could become a round-robin event among a
group of players.  It would have to 
be somehow decided ahead of time who will be in the group and the order in which to
> pass the scene.  We'd probably have to account for players missing their round
and/or provide a time limit in which t
o complete changes.
>
> I think either one of these ideas would be fun.  It would likely have to be POV-Ray
only, since that would be the com
mon software in use amongst us all.  There would be no winners or losers, just a
> fun way for different talents to collaborate on a common scene.
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
> Kyle

How about a circle of players. Everyone does their own rev 0. Everyone signs
up at first so as to be numbered. After finishing rev 0, you pick up from
the person in the circular buffer ahead of you. ( Caveate: not everyone
uses all of the parts of POV- the code needs to be expertly documented for
understanding by all)

Great Idea!

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Chambers wrote:

> I don't think it needs to be that complicated.  I think you should just 
> reply to any message in the thread, and include your own new image and 
> modified source.

That is also fun and in fact I already participated. However, because
you don't know if another person is working on a change right now, each
player will only make a rather simple change which doesn't involve a
serious effort of more than a few minutes. So, it is a different
kind of game ;)

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Christian Froeschlin wrote:
> That is also fun and in fact I already participated. However, because
> you don't know if another person is working on a change right now, each
> player will only make a rather simple change which doesn't involve a
> serious effort of more than a few minutes. So, it is a different
> kind of game ;)


I don't really care if people are working on changes at the same time; I 
think it would be fun to see how the tree diverges from the original, 
and how different the resulting images could be :)

...Chambers

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"Chambers" <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> schreef in bericht 
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>
>
> I don't really care if people are working on changes at the same time; I 
> think it would be fun to see how the tree diverges from the original, and 
> how different the resulting images could be :)
>

And the first branching has taken place!!! Great!

Thomas

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"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:
> "Chambers" <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> schreef in bericht
> news:46042aea$1@news.povray.org...
> >
> >
> > I don't really care if people are working on changes at the same time; I
> > think it would be fun to see how the tree diverges from the original, and
> > how different the resulting images could be :)
> >
>
> And the first branching has taken place!!! Great!
>
> Thomas

I've just started a sort of improvised ping-pong with another user, but
we've added a twist.  Each of us generated a pov scene. From that scene we
generated 5 child scenes using code swap-over akin to genetic programming
and then we've set about trying to make the resultant code useable with as
little addition to the code as possible.  The next round should produce
some interesting scenes.

From my point of view as a newbie to Povray, I have found it instructional
and at the same time extremely interesting.  It has given me a focus in
which to improve my handcoding techniques (although modellers are allowed,
none have been used).

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"swampie" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> The issue is the promotion of POV. Not the short code contest, not the Pope,
> not anything else in all that is listed in Wikipedia or elsewhere else. (
> got the hint yet?)
>
> Can there be a contest to promote POV to a more robust, more all
> encompassing language that will cause it to last through the graphics
> producing ages by forcing the contest to use POV, just POV, and only POV?

Why do you want to promote POV anyway? Do you feel the community is too
small? Do you think the people who are using POV already don't take it to
it's limits yet? What do you think is the reason that people spend
thousands of bucks for programs like Max, Maya or Lightwave although there
is POV? For free? Do you think the reason is that they simply don't *know*
it yet?

[imho]
No, the reason is that although POV is surely an admirable piece of software
it's still far far away from being what i would call a "professional
application". It's a kick-ass renderer but that's it. (Please don't beat me
up anyone :))
So if you want to bring POVRay to a broader audience the only meaningful way
would be to improve it's features (mainly speed) as well as adding new ones.

That being said i still don't see what this contest should be about.
Personally i want to hit *my own* limits rather than those of my app. And
this is the reason why i'm using all the programs i can get my hands on.

I think before continuing with this discussion we should all clarify if
we're talking about *visual* art or *programming* art here.
[/imho]

Regards Roman

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hmm, the ping-pong idea sounds nice at first, until it stops a few
interations ahead like this:

round 0:  RSOCP (10 secs render)
round 1: 100 RSOCP + radiosity (2 min render)
round 2: 100 RSOCP with fresnel and IOR + some hundred boxes around to
provide some interesting reflections + radiosity (12 hours render)
....

you get the point...

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