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Darren New wrote:
> Christian Froeschlin wrote:
>> The hurdle is bigger, but can't be avoided completely. Localizing
>> language keywords is not a good idea, and you wouldn't dream of
>> doing it with languages like C or Java.
> 
> I have a Chinese version of the K&R C book. The keywords are english,
> but all the variable names and such are chinese.
> 
> Plus, from what I've seen, chinese computer keyboards tend to be latin
> keyboards with software to translate phonetically, in essence. I imagine
> there are some actual chinese keyboards out there, but I never saw one
> when I was in china, and the chinese people I know who don't speak any
> english use latin keyboards.
> 
Hmmm... In my point of view, there is no Chinese keyboard in the world.
Because Chinese contains 5,000 or even more characters, how can you make
that keyboard... Maybe we need to build another keyboard Great Wall to
do that~ :D



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Zhenqing Li wrote:
> Hmmm... In my point of view, there is no Chinese keyboard in the world.

I suspected as such, but I am insufficiently experienced with chinese 
keyboards to commit to such a statement.

Although I have seen experimental keyboards with LCD displays in the 
keycaps that allow typing chinese based on the character strokes, so the 
typist need not learn latin phonetics.

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Darren New wrote:
> Zhenqing Li wrote:
>> Hmmm... In my point of view, there is no Chinese keyboard in the world.
> 
> I suspected as such, but I am insufficiently experienced with chinese
> keyboards to commit to such a statement.
> 
> Although I have seen experimental keyboards with LCD displays in the
> keycaps that allow typing chinese based on the character strokes, so the
> typist need not learn latin phonetics.
> 
Seems what you've seen before is something like this?
http://www.slate.com/id/2136726/
You can say that it's some kind of "Chinese" keyboard. However, in fact,
it's another IME besides Pinyin. In this method, Chinese characters are
decomposed into some basic parts, which are assigned to the 101 US
keyboard. Then by thinking how to write the characters to press the key
having the parts sequentially and you can get the final characters. It
was very popular during 1990s. But now few people are using that because
you need to memorize the assignment between the alphabetics and
character parts, which is painful for beginners.

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Materials Science & Engineering (Emphasis on Polymer)
Room 161, Sirrine Hall
School of Material Science & Engineering, Clemson University
Clemson, SC 29634, U.S.A
Tel: 864-656-0888(Office)
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Zhenqing Li wrote:
> > Hmmm... In my point of view, there is no Chinese keyboard in the world.

> I suspected as such, but I am insufficiently experienced with chinese 
> keyboards to commit to such a statement.

  This may be useful information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_input_methods_for_computers

  There exists no single "perfect" input method, and because of that
there are several. Some are more popular than others.

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Zhenqing Li nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/11/16 14:22:
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> Darren New wrote:
>> Christian Froeschlin wrote:
>>> The hurdle is bigger, but can't be avoided completely. Localizing
>>> language keywords is not a good idea, and you wouldn't dream of
>>> doing it with languages like C or Java.
>> I have a Chinese version of the K&R C book. The keywords are english,
>> but all the variable names and such are chinese.
>>
>> Plus, from what I've seen, chinese computer keyboards tend to be latin
>> keyboards with software to translate phonetically, in essence. I imagine
>> there are some actual chinese keyboards out there, but I never saw one
>> when I was in china, and the chinese people I know who don't speak any
>> english use latin keyboards.
>>
> Hmmm... In my point of view, there is no Chinese keyboard in the world.
> Because Chinese contains 5,000 or even more characters, how can you make
> that keyboard... Maybe we need to build another keyboard Great Wall to
> do that~ :D
> 
> 
> 
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> Zhenqing LI
There are some. They mostly use various characters construction techniques. You 
usualy start with a base character, then you add 0 to several sub-parts untill 
you get the complete character.
Someone who know how to use one sort is usualy completely lost in frons of most 
others, as the imput technique, as well as the layout, can change a lot. Also, 
they don't all have the same number of keys.

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Alain wrote:
> Zhenqing Li nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/11/16 14:22:
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>> Darren New wrote:
>>> Christian Froeschlin wrote:
>>>> The hurdle is bigger, but can't be avoided completely. Localizing
>>>> language keywords is not a good idea, and you wouldn't dream of
>>>> doing it with languages like C or Java.
>>> I have a Chinese version of the K&R C book. The keywords are english,
>>> but all the variable names and such are chinese.
>>>
>>> Plus, from what I've seen, chinese computer keyboards tend to be latin
>>> keyboards with software to translate phonetically, in essence. I imagine
>>> there are some actual chinese keyboards out there, but I never saw one
>>> when I was in china, and the chinese people I know who don't speak any
>>> english use latin keyboards.
>>>
>> Hmmm... In my point of view, there is no Chinese keyboard in the world.
>> Because Chinese contains 5,000 or even more characters, how can you make
>> that keyboard... Maybe we need to build another keyboard Great Wall to
>> do that~ :D
>>
>>
>>
>> - --
>> Zhenqing LI
> There are some. They mostly use various characters construction
> techniques. You usualy start with a base character, then you add 0 to
> several sub-parts untill you get the complete character.
> Someone who know how to use one sort is usualy completely lost in frons
> of most others, as the imput technique, as well as the layout, can
> change a lot. Also, they don't all have the same number of keys.
> 

Awesome.... I also saw one picture in Wikipedia to show one kind of
Chinese Keyboard.... It's like the old publishing method in China I think...
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Materials Science & Engineering (Emphasis on Polymer)
Room 161, Sirrine Hall
School of Material Science & Engineering, Clemson University
Clemson, SC 29634, U.S.A
Tel: 864-656-0888(Office)
E-mail: zhe### [at] clemsonedu
Homepage: http://people.clemson.edu/~zhenqil
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"Zhenqing Li" <zhe### [at] clemsonedu> wrote in message 
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> Darren New wrote:
>> Christian Froeschlin wrote:
>>> The hurdle is bigger, but can't be avoided completely. 
>>> Localizing
>>> language keywords is not a good idea, and you wouldn't dream of
>>> doing it with languages like C or Java.
>>
>> I have a Chinese version of the K&R C book. The keywords are 
>> english,
>> but all the variable names and such are chinese.
>>
>> Plus, from what I've seen, chinese computer keyboards tend to be 
>> latin
>> keyboards with software to translate phonetically, in essence. I 
>> imagine
>> there are some actual chinese keyboards out there, but I never 
>> saw one
>> when I was in china, and the chinese people I know who don't 
>> speak any
>> english use latin keyboards.
>>
> Hmmm... In my point of view, there is no Chinese keyboard in the 
> world.
> Because Chinese contains 5,000 or even more characters, how can 
> you make
> that keyboard... Maybe we need to build another keyboard Great 
> Wall to
> do that~ :D
>
>
>
Wubi method?
(character selection via strokes - upto 160 characters per minute)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_method

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/5strokes.jpg

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Zhenqing Li nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/11/16 21:59:
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> Alain wrote:
>> Zhenqing Li nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/11/16 14:22:
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>>> Darren New wrote:
>>>> Christian Froeschlin wrote:
>>>>> The hurdle is bigger, but can't be avoided completely. Localizing
>>>>> language keywords is not a good idea, and you wouldn't dream of
>>>>> doing it with languages like C or Java.
>>>> I have a Chinese version of the K&R C book. The keywords are english,
>>>> but all the variable names and such are chinese.
>>>>
>>>> Plus, from what I've seen, chinese computer keyboards tend to be latin
>>>> keyboards with software to translate phonetically, in essence. I imagine
>>>> there are some actual chinese keyboards out there, but I never saw one
>>>> when I was in china, and the chinese people I know who don't speak any
>>>> english use latin keyboards.
>>>>
>>> Hmmm... In my point of view, there is no Chinese keyboard in the world.
>>> Because Chinese contains 5,000 or even more characters, how can you make
>>> that keyboard... Maybe we need to build another keyboard Great Wall to
>>> do that~ :D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - --
>>> Zhenqing LI
>> There are some. They mostly use various characters construction
>> techniques. You usualy start with a base character, then you add 0 to
>> several sub-parts untill you get the complete character.
>> Someone who know how to use one sort is usualy completely lost in frons
>> of most others, as the imput technique, as well as the layout, can
>> change a lot. Also, they don't all have the same number of keys.
>>
> 
> Awesome.... I also saw one picture in Wikipedia to show one kind of
> Chinese Keyboard.... It's like the old publishing method in China I think...
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> Zhenqing LI
The first where probably direct ports of typographical "input devices", with no 
effort at standardisation. I think that I heard of some keyboards with a key 
count nearing the thousand... Those must have been prety large to downright huge!

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Among other things, Alain saw fit to write:

> The first where probably direct ports of typographical "input devices",
> with no effort at standardisation. I think that I heard of some keyboards
> with a key count nearing the thousand... Those must have been prety large
> to downright huge!

Only ~10 times a "normal" keyboard ;)

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Jellby nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 2007/11/17 12:08:
> Among other things, Alain saw fit to write:
> 
>> The first where probably direct ports of typographical "input devices",
>> with no effort at standardisation. I think that I heard of some keyboards
>> with a key count nearing the thousand... Those must have been prety large
>> to downright huge!
> 
> Only ~10 times a "normal" keyboard ;)
> 
Think about having 10 keyboards on your desk... Now, try to also find a spot for 
your monitor!

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