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"Greg M. Johnson" <gre### [at] my-dejanews com> wrote in message
news:39AF9AB2.23BE534D@my-dejanews.com...
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| IMAGE COLLECTION
| The "Your 10 Best Images" Collection will take up 3 Mb per person.
| Math: (0.25 Mb/image * 10 images +0.5M safety factor, thumbnails,etc.) = 3
Mb
| The number of participants could be from 20 to 750 (The pre-announcement
page is
| ALREADY being linked to from the Japanese povray webring!)
| So for just the image collection, this could easily fill up a CD. 200
people *
| 3 Mb/person=600 Mb.
Whoa. I realize now how I confused this with the person wanting to do
printable images at 3200x2400 resolution, asked about the same time all this
was started. I've read your web page and found how wrong I was. Thank
goodness. Upwards of 200 to 300 people eh? I was thinking it might pull in
50 at most, even only half that. I'm thinking very coservatively I suppose.
| TUTS
| Yes, I'd like a consistent feel. But also I want the upload process to be
| extremely orderly, as we are talking thousands of files on the server
already
| from the other collection. Instructions to the masses of, "just go ahead
and
| upload your tutorials by ftp" doesn't cut it by my judgement.
I can see personality goes with any tutorial. Maybe it could work fine
using the template idea if there's simply a common method of hyperlinking
from place to place. Like a web-ring section of HTML added to each page;
but mostly customized by each person. What do you think? Or would it be
best to have one (don't know how else to describe it) default web-ring
section. Anyway, it would simply be a copy & paste into each page.
| So should I make 20, 25, 250 spaces on the upload web page for files? I'm
| wondering who's going to have something of real value with more than 25
jpg's.
More than two dozen sure sounds like overkill to me, you could sum up all of
MegaPov with 50 images probably. Any tutorial will most likely be a
specific subject or smaller range of subjects.
I wanted to commend you on your efforts Greg, I don't think I've said that
yet so wanted to make sure I did.
Bob
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Greg M. Johnson <gre### [at] my-dejanewscom> wrote:
: So should I make 20, 25, 250 spaces on the upload web page for files?
One space is enough.
Of course the tutorial is sent zipped.
--
main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):_;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
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Bob Hughes wrote:
> More than two dozen sure sounds like overkill to me, you could sum up all of
> MegaPov with 50 images probably. Any tutorial will most likely be a
> specific subject or smaller range of subjects.
For information : I'm currently in the process of directing the writing
of a french language POV-Ray documentation. It's not a translation,
it's mostly rewritten from scratch, and contain tutorial parts when
needed. It covers POV-Ray 3.1 and MegaPOV, which will make it almost
ready when POV-Ray 3.5 will be released.
The information is : as 75% is done, it only weights 1.5 Mb, even though
it's generously illustrated.
You can have a look at it :
http://users.skynet.be/bs936509/povfr/index.htm
Fabien.
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Bob Hughes wrote:
> Upwards of 200 to 300 people eh? I was thinking it might pull in
> 50 at most, even only half that. I'm thinking very coservatively I suppose.
Maybe I'm flattering the project, but if the IRTC Scifi round took 222 entries
because it was an "easy topic," then wouldn't this really be the easiest topic
ever?
Warp wrote:
> One space is enough.
> Of course the tutorial is sent zipped.
This option provides minimum headache for the editor, and minimum value to the
customer.
<opinionated customer hat ON>
I wouldn't want to wade through a mess of ZIP's just in case there
might be something of value. If I can look at an HTML file for a
few secs or search by keywords, then it's of much greater value.
<opinionated customer hat OFF>
Yes, my vision for this and the whole CD was kind of like a webring layout.
Search tut's for keywords, search images by render version, browse images by
country, look at all 3D toons in one place, etc...
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Greg M. Johnson <gre### [at] my-dejanewscom> wrote:
> Bob Hughes wrote:
>> Upwards of 200 to 300 people eh? I was thinking it might pull in
>> 50 at most, even only half that. I'm thinking very coservatively I suppose.
> Maybe I'm flattering the project, but if the IRTC Scifi round took 222 entries
> because it was an "easy topic," then wouldn't this really be the easiest topic
> ever?
Not really. Some of us don't have 10 images we're all that proud off, or
one with 10 things, or illustrating a particular idea. I (as a relative
newbie) looked at the 'topic' and said "Ick. I don't want to do that". I
also haven't written any tutorials (being on the using end of them at the
moment. ;) )
> This option provides minimum headache for the editor, and minimum value to the
> customer.
Submissions are zipped. They need not be zipped on the CD. Unzip into a
separate directory for each (based on name of submitter?) and you're good to
go. That makes submitting easy, but doesn't reduce the project (little more
work for the editor, I admit)
Geoff
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Geoff Wedig wrote:
> Greg M. Johnson <gre### [at] my-dejanewscom> wrote:
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> Not really. Some of us don't have 10 images we're all that proud off, or
> one with 10 things, or illustrating a particular idea. I (as a relative
> newbie) looked at the 'topic' and said "Ick. I don't want to do that". I
> also haven't written any tutorials (being on the using end of them at the
> moment. ;) )
Well, I've had 861 hits on one of my web pages that got listed on povray.org. If
half the hits were unique users and only half the users said "ick", then we have
about 200!
> > This option provides minimum headache for the editor, and minimum value to the
> > customer.
>
> Submissions are zipped.
How about one submits one zip file which is:
one HTML file per "tutorial".
It must be "one web page" of any length (any y dimension,
any number of lines if you will), but formatted to fit
on a 800 pixel width screen.
Obviously, you can submit tutorials on as many topics
as you wish.
n JPG's which are accessed by <IMG SRC=".. calls in the html.
n TXT files for any embedded *.POV files, accessed by
<a href=".... calls in the html
You can use <CODE> for shorter snippets of pov code within
your main html if you wish.
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In article <39aede6d@news.povray.org>, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg>
wrote:
> I really don't understand why limit the number of items and not set any
>limit to file sizes when it should the exactly the other way around.
> It's the disk space we are concerned about, isn't it? The tutorials
> shouldn't
One reason *might* be that on CD-ROM drives (especially older ones) the
speed of loading web pages seems to me to be more related to the number
of images rather than the size of the images.
I know that back when I had a 1x CD-ROM drive, the IRTC CD-ROM web pages
took forever to load, although I could muck around inside the
directories and load the images by hand easily enough.
To make matters worse, Netscape (and I think IE) don't bother cacheing
files that are on the local filesystem--so if you forget to "Open Link
in New Window", you have to wait all over again when you hit the 'Back'
button.
On my only slightly obsolete 24x CD-ROM drive, the IRTC pages with lots
of thumbnail images are still very annoyingly slow to load.
(I should probably just spend the $400 for a 60 Gig FireWire drive and
archive all my CD-ROMs on there...)
Jerry
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In article <39AFC2CD.B0F8B088@my-dejanews.com>,
gre### [at] my-dejanewscom wrote:
> How about one submits one zip file which is:
>
> one HTML file per "tutorial".
...snip...
> n JPG's which are accessed by <IMG SRC=".. calls in the html.
> n TXT files for any embedded *.POV files...
...snip...
This sounds like the best so far. But you still might want to make a
size limitation, like the total must be less than 200K or so unzipped.
--
Christopher James Huff
Personal: chr### [at] maccom, http://homepage.mac.com/chrishuff/
TAG: chr### [at] tagpovrayorg, http://tag.povray.org/
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Chris Huff wrote:
> This sounds like the best so far. But you still might want to make a
> size limitation, like the total must be less than 200K or so unzipped.
I saw (was it on p.b.t?) a link to a 9MB tutorial in Word format. I
wouldn't reject its "deserving to be" 9MB out of hand. But I'm also
loathe to d/l it as a run of the mill pov user.
The tutorial collection is actually the one I'm least confident in, in
that my intrusion into this area may be the least value-add to the pov
community. In other words, the tut collection is the prong of the 10 best
CD project which I'd consider dropping with the least 'hurt feelings' on
my part. I think it would be of greatest value to the customer to have
unzipped, html, web-ring-like pages for browsing. A subdirectory of
"here's 200 zipped files in 37 different formats; browse at your own risk"
is of such little value that I think it would be a waste to put on a CD. .
.
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In article <39B50D77.A3BBD8DA@my-dejanews.com>,
gre### [at] my-dejanewscom wrote:
> I saw (was it on p.b.t?) a link to a 9MB tutorial in Word format. I
> wouldn't reject its "deserving to be" 9MB out of hand. But I'm also
> loathe to d/l it as a run of the mill pov user.
I wonder how big it would be if it was converted to HTML...
OK, how about this: Set a "maximum size" *guideline*. If you start to
run out of space, tutorials above this size will be first candidates for
removal.
> The tutorial collection is actually the one I'm least confident in, in
> that my intrusion into this area may be the least value-add to the pov
> community. In other words, the tut collection is the prong of the 10 best
> CD project which I'd consider dropping with the least 'hurt feelings' on
> my part.
If it is any encouragement, I think a tutorial collection on the CD is a
great idea, and potentially quite valuable.
> I think it would be of greatest value to the customer to have
> unzipped, html, web-ring-like pages for browsing. A subdirectory of
> "here's 200 zipped files in 37 different formats; browse at your own
> risk" is of such little value that I think it would be a waste to put
> on a CD. .
I didn't say the tutorials should be zipped on the CD, or in different
formats. I was talking about the uncompressed size of complete HTML
tutorials, including images, other binaries, and text files.
Having all the HTML tutorials be linked together could is a very nice
idea, but they should probably be independantly useable as well, so you
don't have to have the CD inserted, but could put the ones you want on
your HD.
--
Christopher James Huff
Personal: chr### [at] maccom, http://homepage.mac.com/chrishuff/
TAG: chr### [at] tagpovrayorg, http://tag.povray.org/
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