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In article <394dc49c@news.povray.org> , "Rune" <run### [at] iname com>
wrote:
> My definition of a splash page is a special page that contains no useful
> contents. I would call the first page at http://www.scifi-art.com/ for a
> splash page
This is contrary to what any usability expert will tell you. People want to
know where they are and what the site is about. The main page of any site
is the most essential and apparently very important for the success of a
site.
If you want to know about how web design should be to work best, check out
<www.useit.com>.
Thorsten
PS: Please keep in mind that the POV-Team - unlike large companies - does
not have the money or time to employ a whole department of usability experts
and web designers to create a "perfect" site. Everything, including POV-Ray
itself, has some spots that need to be polished, and in this sense a web
site is not much different from software. You can be sure the team will do
the best, as our spare time permits.
Sometimes only or mostly negative feedback can be very frustrating, so maybe
pointing out what you _like_ about the site would help improve it as well.
This is just a personal note, I do not speak for the POV-Team.
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The desgin has great potential (except for the colors - try blueish),
however - I myself was offended by the picture of the girl. please put
something less...you know on the front page.
Gilles Tran wrote:
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> Just went to the POV-Ray page looking for links, and it happens to have
> a new design !
> It looks like it's still a work in progress. I hope that there will be
> new things in the "under construction pages".
> First remarks:
> - It certainly loads faster (javascript gone) which is better.
> - I'm not too happy with the colours which are a tad dark, and with the
> Poser girl, which I find too Poseresque (that hair, ahem..) and not a
> good demo for the mapping abilities that should be in Povray 3.5.
> What do people think ?
> G.
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Rune wrote in message <394bf00c@news.povray.org>...
>Also, the 3D Links Collection design is horrible (sorry)! My screen
>resolution is 800x600 and I have to scroll horizontally left and right all
>the time just to be able to read the text! That's one of the worst things
>you can do when talking about web-design, I think. (Again, sorry!)
I noticed. My screen is set to 1024*768 and I'm still having to scroll.
Wgat resolution was the site designed for???
Gail
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Gilles Tran wrote:
>
> Just went to the POV-Ray page looking for links, and it happens to
> have a new design !
> What do people think ?
"Nice, but when does 3.5 come out?"
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Rune wrote:
> I'm sure it was, but the point is that it doesn't show any *unique* features
> of POV-Ray. That is, it doesn't give the visitor a reason to use POV-Ray
> instead of any other 3D program. That girl could probably be made with any
> 3D program, and it doesn't show the real strengths of POV-Ray, I think.
Being a long-time Poser user, I really don't object at having a Poser model
(rendered in Pov-Ray) in the front page. Having a realistic-looking human form
on the front page is certainly a big step ahead from the usual CSG fare. It
actually shows off one BIG strength of POV-Ray, and a quite undervalued one,
which is its ability to render meshes from other programmes.
With uv-mapping and with the help of vertex management utilities like those made
by Warp and Chris Colefax, there's a huge potential in using meshes in Povray.
Note that the (previous ?) Hall of Fame shows at least two images of objects
made with 3DStudio and rendered in Povray and AFAIK nobody ever complained about
this.
My only (little) problem is that Posette here is a little too basic, and looks
more like a standard posing example for Poser than a true creation, so that
there could be room for improvement (but there may be more to know about her,
who knows ?).
G.
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I would like to see your eve there instead :).
Fabian.
>
> Rune wrote:
>
> > I'm sure it was, but the point is that it doesn't show any *unique* features
> > of POV-Ray. That is, it doesn't give the visitor a reason to use POV-Ray
> > instead of any other 3D program. That girl could probably be made with any
> > 3D program, and it doesn't show the real strengths of POV-Ray, I think.
>
> Being a long-time Poser user, I really don't object at having a Poser model
> (rendered in Pov-Ray) in the front page. Having a realistic-looking human form
> on the front page is certainly a big step ahead from the usual CSG fare. It
> actually shows off one BIG strength of POV-Ray, and a quite undervalued one,
> which is its ability to render meshes from other programmes.
>
> With uv-mapping and with the help of vertex management utilities like those made
> by Warp and Chris Colefax, there's a huge potential in using meshes in Povray.
> Note that the (previous ?) Hall of Fame shows at least two images of objects
> made with 3DStudio and rendered in Povray and AFAIK nobody ever complained about
> this.
>
> My only (little) problem is that Posette here is a little too basic, and looks
> more like a standard posing example for Poser than a true creation, so that
> there could be room for improvement (but there may be more to know about her,
> who knows ?).
>
> G.
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> Rune wrote:
> Also, the 3D Links Collection design is horrible (sorry)!
The colors are horrible.. I liked the past links-colors much better.
I run in resoultion 1280x1024 and the page shows very nice, the navigation
buttons are a bit small for me. But the again, the old buttons were very big
in 800x600.
I generally like the design, even though not so very much are changed.
What's the different between POV-Ray links and 3D link collection?
I also think the page logos should've been made in POV, but they're pretty
nice, even thought they don't match 100% in the color scheme with rest of
the page.
To be positive, as Thorsten said, I must say the new design are much, much
better than the previous.
I like the bright text on dark background.
--
Peter
http://hertel.no/bigone
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Rune wrote:
>Also, the 3D Links Collection design is horrible (sorry)! My screen
>resolution is 800x600 and I have to scroll horizontally left and right
>all the time just to be able to read the text!
Well it has chaged twice since you posted and it improved both times.
Another improvement for me would be not using italics in the description
for better readabilty. Also the background seems to be darker now.
Oh, there is a typo in the Competition button: Competitionl
I like it.
Ingo
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ingo wrote:
>Well it has chaged twice since you posted
Ehm once..
> Also the background seems to be darker now.
It's not.
mmm, time for a new monitor I think :(
Ingo
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Photography: http://members.home.nl/ingoogni/
Pov-Ray : http://members.home.nl/seed7/
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"Thorsten Froehlich" wrote:
> "Rune" wrote:
>
> > My definition of a splash page is a special page that contains
> > no useful contents. I would call the first page at
> > http://www.scifi-art.com/ for a splash page
>
> This is contrary to what any usability expert will tell you.
> People want to know where they are and what the site is about.
You misunderstood me! I was talking about what I think a splash page *is*,
not how I think it *should be*.
I think the first page at http://www.scifi-art.com is a typical splash page,
that is, with no useful info, and I don't like that.
I wouldn't say that the first page at http://www.povray.org is a splash
page, because it is just like the other pages in design, and it contains
useful info too. I think that is good.
I hope this was more clear.
> Sometimes only or mostly negative feedback can be very
> frustrating, so maybe pointing out what you _like_ about
> the site would help improve it as well.
Thanks for reminding me!
Basically, I think the basic layout with the menu to the left and how the
text and headers are placed is fine.
What I don't like is mostly the colors chosen for the site, and the
unoriginal menu to the left. I would think that this is things that could be
improved rather easily. That is just judging from my own experience with web
design.
I also think in the links section the boxes with the under sections should
be placed in one column only, so it will fit in the width independent of the
screen resolutions.
I hope you will find this feedback more constructive! :-)
Greetings,
Rune.
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