"Gilles Tran" wrote:
> We should perhaps not overreact about this.
(...)
> Some of the ethical rules peculiar to the
> net are absolutely unknown outside it:
> unethical behaviours on the net may appear
> unethical only to those who've been using
> it for a while. And there's no reading a
> FAQ about netiquette if you don't know what
> a FAQ is (or a binary attachment).

I agree.

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On Sat, 13 May 2000 17:17:31 +0200, "Marc Koester" <mko### [at] gmxnet>
wrote:

>Dear readers,
>
>I read the statements about my person. I apologize by everyone who feels disturbed by
my questions!

I did not feel disturbed at all, just deleted your e-mail when I saw
the long "To: " field. Some people were offended, and rightly so. I
kindly suggest you find some FAQ or other info on netiquette (Emily
Postnews is a good start, try searching for it in your favourite
search engine). I know this will help, at least it did when I was new
to the Internet and stepped on a few toes :)


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Wha?  Hey, I thought you were serious about that Emily Postnews.
To my surprise I found it to be quite the opposite.
Apparently I have a lot to learn about netiquette even though I also
seem to do very well for the most part.
So others might check what I saw there: http://psg.com/emily.html

Bob

"Peter Popov" <pet### [at] usanet> wrote in message
news:e6drhsc0t2efpj66rr6plapni6khtg332k@4ax.com...
| kindly suggest you find some FAQ or other info on netiquette (Emily
| Postnews is a good start, try searching for it in your favourite
| search engine). I know this will help, at least it did when I was new
| to the Internet and stepped on a few toes :)

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In article <391d719f@news.povray.org>, "Marc Koester" 
<mko### [at] gmxnet> wrote:

> I read the statements about my person. I apologize by everyone who feels 
> disturbed by my questions!

Not by your questions, but by your behavior! As others have said, your 
questions have little to do with this.


> As I am new to newsgroups I made two big mistakes. First I send an 
> attachment to an non-binary newsgroup

Two non-binary newsgroups, that is. One to povray.general and one to 
povray.advanced-users.
And since this doesn't seem to have anything to do with POV, 
povray.off-topic would be the most appropriate group. Attachments are 
allowed there, if they are few and small in size.


> and second I did a mass-mailing to several readers of this newsgroup 
> to get in direct contact with the possibility of an attachment to 
> provide project details. I learned how to behave correctly and will 
> never do that again! 
> And mistakes are human and we all learn from them!

This particular mistake(gathering hundreds of e-mail addresses and 
mass-mailing to them) is not normally something beginners would be able 
to figure out...by the time they are advanced enough to do this, most 
people have hopefully developed better manners.
I don't particularly blame people for thinking you already know better.


> It is my interest to provide and share know-how to and with you.

This message apparently has nothing to do with POV-Ray, you have not 
even mentioned if you use POV-Ray, and so far, this is the only time you 
have responded in the newsgroup...it appeared you posted a question, 
ignored all responses, then made invasive mass-mailings using techniques 
common to spammers.
If this is so, try actually responding(on the newsgroups!) to the people 
who try to answer your question, and be a bit more polite. You might get 
a little farther.


> In my opinion it is not minor rude to offend my person in such ways like 
> Bill DeWitt:
> "How rude you must be in real life, clamoring for attention like that".
> or like Thorsten Froehlich:
> "I will complain to GMX and ask them to close your account."
> 
> With these and other statements you proved no better behaviour than mine.

With this statement, you prove these statements to be true. Don't try to 
shift blame to others...what you did was far worse. You precipitated 
this, the fault is in you.

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On Sat, 13 May 2000 17:10:45 -0500, Bob Hughes wrote:
>Wha?  Hey, I thought you were serious about that Emily Postnews.

Of course he was.

>To my surprise I found it to be quite the opposite.

You did read that note at the beginning, did you?

**NOTE: this is intended to be satirical.  If you do not recognize
  it as such, consult a doctor or professional comedian.  The
  recommendations in this article should recognized for what
  they are -- admonitions about what NOT to do.

	hp

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In article <391D9188.270F04CA@inapg.inra.fr> , Gilles Tran 
<tra### [at] inapginrafr>  wrote:

> For somebody who is new to the
> internet, the very concept of spam doesn't mean anything.

I see your point and would agree, but I suspect it does not apply in this
case: Setting up a free e-mail service is usually not done by someone
completely new to the internet.


      Thorsten

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I went back and looked again.  You're right.  I think I clicked on the
scroll bar to page down some because the first section didn't seem
important, only the questions and answers below the dashed line.
I probably broke a rule of netiquette right there by not reading that
"Note".

Bob

"Peter J. Holzer" <hjp### [at] SiKituwsracat> wrote in message
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| On Sat, 13 May 2000 17:10:45 -0500, Bob Hughes wrote:
|
| You did read that note at the beginning, did you?

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"Thorsten Froehlich" <tho### [at] trfde> wrote in message
news:391ec6fb$1@news.povray.org...
> I see your point and would agree, but I suspect it does not apply in this
> case: Setting up a free e-mail service is usually not done by someone
> completely new to the internet.


Why not? It is not that difficult. Many people access the Internet because
they want an e-mail. Maybe Mr Koester got himself an e-mail only because of
this particular question.

I know spam is not agreable to get, but I agree with Gilles: we are
over-reacting. Mr Koester did apologize.


Povingly,


Philippe

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On Sat, 13 May 2000 18:19:16 -0500, Chris Huff wrote:
>This particular mistake(gathering hundreds of e-mail addresses and 
>mass-mailing to them) is not normally something beginners would be able 
>to figure out...by the time they are advanced enough to do this, most 
>people have hopefully developed better manners.

What I don't get is why I didn't get one.  It's not as though I haven't
posted to every group on this server, plus CGRR.  Maybe I just come
across as unhelpful. :)

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Ron Parker wrote:

> What I don't get is why I didn't get one.  It's not as though I haven't
> posted to every group on this server, plus CGRR.  Maybe I just come
> across as unhelpful. :)

I would be more than happy to forward you my copy of it. I don't want
you feeling left out or anything :)

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