Rune <run### [at] inamecom> wrote in message
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> PLC = POV-Ray Logo Competition.
>
> Why should POV-Ray have a logo?
> What should the purpose of the logo be?

snip...

> Is the logo supposed to attract new users by looking appealing to them,
i.e.
> to "sell" POV-Ray?

 no

> Is it supposed to be a logo for all the current users, who will associate
> the POV-Ray logo with the program POV-Ray? (In the same way as the name
> "POV-Ray" is associated with the program POV-Ray.)

It would be nice to have a logo that is easily recognizable so we can know
where it's being used

snip...

> Anything else?

I think that the logo should be used to add recognition of the program among
users kind of like how the name "POV-Ray" is recognized, and to possibly
cause others to recognize it and see how abundantly it is used.

> What should the purpose of the logo be, and if more than one thing, what
is
> more important?

see above

> I hope we can have a good discussion about this. Remember that those who
> don't join the discussion cannot at a later stage complain about the
> conclusions reached. So if you have any opinion please reply. Reply even
if
> your opinion has already been stated by somebody else. That way we might
be
> able to see a general tendency. In the end I will write down the
conclusions
> reached, and we can proceed to the next discussion.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Rune
>

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The broader purpose at the heart of creating any logo I think is the term
"recognizable". Whatever logo comes out of this whole process, it needs to
be easily recognized, even at a glance, for those who know what it stands
for.

I've been reading some of Ken's posts recently about the simplicity of the
logos in the last competition, and I know I have run into this issue before.
My viewpoint is this: if you take the logo by Dan Farmer for example, and
you strip away all the bevels and textures that are there, then you have
text running in a straight line. It is my opinion that a logo should be more
than this, so that if you take it down to its most simple components of
color and shading, there is still something of merit to be found in it. And
thus shall you find most logos in the greater business world. Take Nike,
Bell Atlantic, Texaco, etc. and you will find that their logos all reduce to
a simple shapes that are uniquely recognizable. I think this was what Rune
was trying to get at with the guidlines in the last competition, and I think
it reflects the basic purpose of any logo and also the question put before
us "Why should POV have a logo?"

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ddombrow wrote:
> Bell Atlantic, Texaco,

You mean Verizon?  ;)

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I'm sure that'd be hilarious if I unserstood it.

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Lance Birch <-> wrote in message
> You mean Verizon?  ;)

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And probably even funnier if I understood it (as opposed to merely
unserstanding it).

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ddombrow wrote in message...
> I'm sure that'd be hilarious if I unserstood it.

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ddombrow wrote:
> And probably even funnier if I understood it (as opposed to merely
> unserstanding it).
>
> --
> Dan D.
>
> ddombrow wrote in message...
> > I'm sure that'd be hilarious if I unserstood it.

hehe, Verizon is the new merger company for Bell Atlantic and GTE.

Sorry to confuse matters, don't mind my ramblings... :)

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It seems that people generally agree here.

I think the conclusion could be cooked down to this sentence:

"The purpose of the logo is to add recognition of POV-Ray to those who knows
what POV-Ray is."

Unless you disagree, or the POV-Team come with another statement, I will
consider this the final conclusion to the question raised.

The question of whether the logo should be detailed or simple was not a part
of the question raised here, so we will deal with that question in the next
discussion.

Greetings,

Rune

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"Rune" <run### [at] inamecom> wrote in message
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> It seems that people generally agree here.
>
> I think the conclusion could be cooked down to this sentence:
>
> "The purpose of the logo is to add recognition of POV-Ray to those who
knows
> what POV-Ray is."
>

    Not quite disagree, but I was still working on my thoughts. They clunk
around so clumsily that it takes a while to get anywhere with them.

    In general, I think it should go both ways. I would like it if I saw a
little hidden mark or an unusual shape and I could tell by my arcane
knowledge that the image was made with POV-Ray. I would also like for people
to start seeing this mark in some of their favorite images and then months
later make the connection to POV-Ray. I would like to be able to see their
faces but I will be satisfied with just imagining it.

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"Bill DeWitt" wrote:
> "Rune" wrote:
> > "The purpose of the logo is to add
> > recognition of POV-Ray to those who
> > knows what POV-Ray is."
>
> Not quite disagree, but I was still
> working on my thoughts. They clunk
> around so clumsily that it takes a
> while to get anywhere with them.

That's OK, if you disagree, we can just continue the discussion from here.

>     In general, I think it should go
> both ways. I would like it if I saw a
> little hidden mark or an unusual shape
> and I could tell by my arcane knowledge
> that the image was made with POV-Ray.
> I would also like for people to start
> seeing this mark in some of their
> favorite images and then months later
> make the connection to POV-Ray. I
> would like to be able to see their
> faces but I will be satisfied with
> just imagining it.

I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean that the logo should be some kind of
hidden mark that people can put on their renderings, and then people who see
these renderings can become aware of the mark (logo) months after they see
it? An that should be the purpose of the logo? Or have I misunderstood
something?

Greetings,

Rune

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"Rune" <run### [at] inamecom> wrote :
>
> I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean that the logo should be some kind
of
> hidden mark that people can put on their renderings, and then people who
see
> these renderings can become aware of the mark (logo) months after they see
> it? An that should be the purpose of the logo? Or have I misunderstood
> something?

    Not quite. I do think that if there were a really good logo that I would
try to incorporate it into my scene in a way that was artistic and perhaps a
little hidden, so that the image was not -about- the logo, but those of us
in the know would be able to see it. Like have it as a tattoo on one of the
Poser guys, or one of the symbols in a row of Hieroglyphs, or the accidental
positioning of several leaves on the ground.

    Secondly, if many of our better artists were using the logo in their
images (perhaps more overtly), it might become a watermark or something
which people might learn to recognize, and wonder what it means. Later, when
they find Povray, they would be surprised to find that the odd mark they had
been seeing was the logo for a free raytracer instead of what they might
have thought it represented (perhaps an expensive renderer or a prestigious
art firm or a secret society of world dominating financiers).

    Sort of like those commercials where they show you some odd people doing
odd things and then flash an abstract symbol. They never tell you what they
are advertising though. You learn to see the symbol and later on find out
that they were really advertising a brand of gelatin dessert.

    So I am not saying that this should be the purpose of a logo, but I do
think that the logo should be abstract enough and, in essence, simple enough
to allow these and other fun things. If it is too blatantly "POV-Ray:The
Text Logo" all you can do with it is tuck it in a corner with the other
credits.

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