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Zeger Knaepen wrote:
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> You're right. But what about just linking to the files on their
> site?
> (It's also easier for me to do)
This raises another issue with violating the TOS of several service
providers such as the major ones like geocities, xoom, and my own ISP
who forbid linking to files directly from other web pages. It may
not be a problem for you but you may jeopardize other people's
accounts.
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http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
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Hi, Ken. Not that a macro collection couldn't work if permission were
granted by the authors but another consideration is that a big
collection is hard to keep updated. The authors' latest work is probably
the most desirable.
On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:38:58 -0800 Ken <tyl### [at] pacbell net> wrote:
>Many people put in a lot of time and effort publishing their web pages
>and offer some POV-Ray related materials to attract visitors to their
>site. If you collect all of the resources available from the hundreds
>of sites out there, and put it into one monster collection, there will
>be no reason for people to visit the other web pages. Besides making
>a lot of web pages instantly obsolete I am sure you also run the risk
>of hurting the feeling of more than just a few people who enjoy having
>regular visitors to their sites.
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Xplo Eristotle wrote:
> Sure, that's morally bankrupt, but we don't exactly live in a
> perfect world to start with.. and it won't end if someone has to ask
> that their files be taken down.
In the French Blender newsgroup, a mini flame war erupted some time ago after
someone set up a web page containing some texts produced by other people
(without asking prior permission). It cooled off quickly, but then it led to
calls for a chart of "proper behavior" and the such, and overall bad feelings
and lack of trust.
So, if we can discuss how "evil" is a particular behavior (most "evildoers" in
these cases do what they do with good intentions), I don't think that there's
any discussion about the fact that even a slight suspicion of "moral bankrupcy"
may be harmful to a group, and not worth the trouble.
G.
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Gilles Tran wrote:
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> In the French Blender newsgroup, a mini flame war erupted some time ago after
> someone set up a web page containing some texts produced by other people
> (without asking prior permission). It cooled off quickly, but then it led to
> calls for a chart of "proper behavior" and the such, and overall bad feelings
> and lack of trust.
> So, if we can discuss how "evil" is a particular behavior (most "evildoers" in
> these cases do what they do with good intentions), I don't think that there's
> any discussion about the fact that even a slight suspicion of "moral bankrupcy"
> may be harmful to a group, and not worth the trouble.
>
> G.
I've always given away the biggest part of my work for free but when I
do so I
mark it as free or if someone asks me for permission I would grant it.
Just taking
away my work and publishing it without my prior consent, even if quoted
properly
would make me feel bad.
Asking for permission before the publishing would be *VERY* important
for me if I
didn't gave permission for free use before. Such behaviour would lead to
defiance
on my part.
Marc
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Peter Popov wrote:
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> I hope the rest of the TAG members won't get mad at me for disclosing
> that a similar project has been discussed among us as a possible to-do
> in the future. If you could do our job, that would be great :)
It'll be much work, and not everybody seems to agree... I don't know
if I can do it.
I mean: if I have to ask every POVer in person, I'll lose quite some
time. How about giving you guys the login and password of my site, so
it could be an open site? After all, disk-space shouldn't be an
issue: Crosswinds gives me unlimited space.
> Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
> Personal e-mail : pet### [at] usanet
> TAG e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg
ZK
http://www.crosswinds.net/~povplace
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On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 03:50:29 -0800, Ken wrote:
>Zeger Knaepen wrote:
>>
>> You're right. But what about just linking to the files on their
>> site?
>> (It's also easier for me to do)
>
>This raises another issue with violating the TOS of several service
>providers such as the major ones like geocities, xoom, and my own ISP
>who forbid linking to files directly from other web pages. It may
>not be a problem for you but you may jeopardize other people's
>accounts.
This seems to be a rather unfair policy. If I put a link from my site to
one of your pages you may not even find out (do you get the referrer
logs from your provider?) and in any case you cannot do anything against
it. Apart from that it is of course totally against the spirit of the
WWW to forbid links.
hp
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"Peter J. Holzer" wrote:
> >> You're right. But what about just linking to the files on their
> >> site?
> >> (It's also easier for me to do)
> >
> >This raises another issue with violating the TOS of several service
> >providers such as the major ones like geocities, xoom, and my own ISP
> >who forbid linking to files directly from other web pages. It may
> >not be a problem for you but you may jeopardize other people's
> >accounts.
>
> This seems to be a rather unfair policy. If I put a link from my site to
> one of your pages you may not even find out (do you get the referrer
> logs from your provider?) and in any case you cannot do anything against
> it. Apart from that it is of course totally against the spirit of the
> WWW to forbid links.
I provide links to well over a 1000 web pages. I do not however provide
links to the downloadable material on those sites. There is a distinct
difference. When I link to a page and someone activates it they are
taken to that page and may do what they want once there. If I were to
link to a utility then when the link us activated a download process
ensues -without- taking the visitor to the referring page.
For example:
This link will take you to a web with pov resources available -
http://www.xoom.com/povpage/index.html
This link will automatically download povfile.zip without you
visiting the page -
http://www.xoom.com/povpage/utilities/povfile.zip
The reason that web page providers do not like this, especially providers
like Geocities and Xoom, is because it bypasses their advertising which
is what makes it possible for them to provide free web based services
for their clients. If you bypass the web page you in essence turn them
into a free file storage service for yourself without the need of entering
into a contract with them. They lose potential profits this way. Regardless
it is their policy to restrict this kind of activity and while it might
not hurt you it may cause the persons page you are linking to to be
yanked for TOS violations - something I am sure you don't want to do.
I am not sure I described the difference well and maybe someone can
make it a little more clear why companies like xoom would restrict
this type of linking.
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http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
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Zeger Knaepen wrote:
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> Is it OK for everybody that I just take all the macros and INC-files I
> can find (from your pages, from this newsgroup, ...) and put them on
> my site (of course giving the creator the credits) to make one large
> (enormous might be a better word) collection? Or does someone
> disagree with this?
This question is best addressed to the individual macro authors. You can
go ahead and use mine; if I hadn't written them, somebody else would have.
Regards,
John
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Ken wrote:
> For example:
>
> This link will take you to a web with pov resources available -
> http://www.xoom.com/povpage/index.html
>
> This link will automatically download povfile.zip without you
> visiting the page -
> http://www.xoom.com/povpage/utilities/povfile.zip
What I was thinking about, would be more like:
http://www.xoom.com/povplage/tutorials/blobs.htm
> The reason that web page providers do not like this, especially providers
> like Geocities and Xoom, is because it bypasses their advertising which
Actually, you *can* do this with Xoom. I did it once. (Yes, they
kicked me, but it *did* work :-)
ZK
http://www.crosswinds.net/~povplace
> is what makes it possible for them to provide free web based services
> for their clients. If you bypass the web page you in essence turn them
> into a free file storage service for yourself without the need of entering
> into a contract with them. They lose potential profits this way. Regardless
> it is their policy to restrict this kind of activity and while it might
> not hurt you it may cause the persons page you are linking to to be
> yanked for TOS violations - something I am sure you don't want to do.
>
> I am not sure I described the difference well and maybe someone can
> make it a little more clear why companies like xoom would restrict
> this type of linking.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler - 1300+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
> http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
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Zeger Knaepen wrote:
> What I was thinking about, would be more like:
> http://www.xoom.com/povplage/tutorials/blobs.htm
But isn't that what I am already doing with the links collection at povray.org ?
> > The reason that web page providers do not like this, especially providers
> > like Geocities and Xoom, is because it bypasses their advertising which
>
> Actually, you *can* do this with Xoom. I did it once. (Yes, they
> kicked me, but it *did* work :-)
I didn't say you can't do it, just that you are not supposed to :(
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