On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:01:28 -0600, "Bob Hughes"
<omn### [at] hotmailcom?subject=PoV-News:> wrote:

>As you might have noticed I made a mistake in the first try, if that's possible
>to mistake a complete guess, by dividing wrong.  The number comes out to 50,000
>and not 500,000.  Somehow I can't imagine a half million people are using, or
>have used POV-Ray.  That's a large number.  Especially if you consider there
>might be about 100 million computer users worldwide, that would be %0.5 or 1 out
>of 200 people.  Unlikely I think.
>
>Bob

If there were another POV user in Bulgaria I would have heard about
him or her by now. This makes 1 in 8 million where I live. Unlikely I
think :)


Peter Popov
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>If there were another POV user in Bulgaria I would have heard about
>him or her by now. This makes 1 in 8 million where I live. Unlikely I
>think :)


The best I got was a Lightwave user that had heard of POV. Since then, I've
never met anyone who has even heard of it. I tried to persuade a friend of
mine, but he's in love with 3D Studio Max. :(

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TonyB wrote in message <38965706@news.povray.org>...
>
>The best I got was a Lightwave user that had heard of POV. Since then, I've
>never met anyone who has even heard of it. I tried to persuade a friend of
>mine, but he's in love with 3D Studio Max. :(
>


I've got two friends who use or have used pov. The one was the person who
encouraged me to start. He stopped rendering quite a while ago. The other
is still raytracing, though he uses moray exclusively.

One of those is still in south africa, the other has moved to the usa.

Gail

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Peter Popov wrote:

> If there were another POV user in Bulgaria I would have heard about
> him or her by now. This makes 1 in 8 million where I live. Unlikely I
> think :)
>

Everytime I do a public lecture about my POV work (happens a couple of times a year),
there's always at least one person who's using it too in the attendance. It is often
surprising. I've discovered for instance that some teachers use it to teach maths to
kids. People who are not internet-savvy just do not know about the newsgroups or the
povray page and do their own pov stuff ignoring the community out there. There are
also people who have to do a quick 3D stuff at work, spend a day learning the basics,
turn out the couple of spheres they need, and that's all.
Unlike commercial packages, who tend to appeal to certain definite crowds, POV seems
very versatile in that respect. It's a strange phenomenon actually.

G.

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I once spent a long, awkward day in NY City with my wife and a male friend of
hers from Germany.  Then late in the afternoon, sitting in the Egyptian room of
one of those museums, he said something about wishing to make photographs of
the temples to make textures available to people, for "puvereighya".  I almost
ignored the comment, until I realized he was talking about what I had been
awkwardly calling the "persistence of vision tracer." We were best friends from
that instant on..


Ken, does your web site counter track unique individuals or just hits?


TonyB wrote:

> >If there were another POV user in Bulgaria I would have heard about
> >him or her by now. This makes 1 in 8 million where I live. Unlikely I
> >think :)
>
> The best I got was a Lightwave user that had heard of POV. Since then, I've
> never met anyone who has even heard of it. I tried to persuade a friend of
> mine, but he's in love with 3D Studio Max. :(

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"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:

> Ken, does your web site counter track unique individuals or just hits?

It's your basic WYSIWYG hit counter with no reporting mechanism.

-- 
Ken Tyler -  1300+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/

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If it is of any use to you or anyone, theCounter.com can give statistics on
"unique" vists, which I think means that it only counts the first visit of
every different user.  See the statistics for my page(s) at:

http://www.TheCounter.com/counter/50671.vmain?1
http://www.TheCounter.com/counter/352816.vmain?1


Ken wrote:

> "Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
>
> > Ken, does your web site counter track unique individuals or just hits?
>
> It's your basic WYSIWYG hit counter with no reporting mechanism.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler -  1300+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
> http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/

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"Rune" wrote in message
> Pavel Rumyantsev wrote:
> >I think, that many people read these
> >newsgroups, but only a little part of
> >them write in these newsgroups.
>
> I think so too.
>
> I also think that the people who read
> these newsgroups are only a little
> part of all the POV-Ray users.
>
> Somewhere on www.povray.org there's a
> list with all the newsgroups, but I
> think it's too difficult to find the
> page with that list.
> I think it should be linked to from
> either the menu bar or the home page,
> like it was once. That will make new
> users more aware of these groups.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Rune
>

I totaly agree with you....

Ambis

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Rune wrote:

> Pavel Rumyantsev wrote:
> >I think, that many people read these
> >newsgroups, but only a little part of
> >them write in these newsgroups.
>
> I think so too.
>
> I also think that the people who read
> these newsgroups are only a little
> part of all the POV-Ray users.
>

This is a facinating thread, but trying to determine how many people use
POV would be like trying to find out how many people drive "Volkswagons"
by counting the number of people that belong to "VW" car clubs.
(enter the car of your choice)

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On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 17:02:09 +0100, Gilles Tran <tra### [at] inapginrafr>
wrote:

>Peter Popov wrote:
>
>> If there were another POV user in Bulgaria I would have heard about
>> him or her by now. This makes 1 in 8 million where I live. Unlikely I
>> think :)
>>
>
>Everytime I do a public lecture about my POV work (happens a couple of times a year),
>there's always at least one person who's using it too in the attendance. It is often
>surprising. I've discovered for instance that some teachers use it to teach maths to
>kids. People who are not internet-savvy just do not know about the newsgroups or the
>povray page and do their own pov stuff ignoring the community out there. There are
>also people who have to do a quick 3D stuff at work, spend a day learning the basics,
>turn out the couple of spheres they need, and that's all.
>Unlike commercial packages, who tend to appeal to certain definite crowds, POV seems
>very versatile in that respect. It's a strange phenomenon actually.
>
>G.

Yes, but around here you can get MAX 3.0 for $8.0 . Most amateur 3D
artists don't consider the price a hindrance for their carreer <grin>.

And no, I have never pirated MAX. Honestly.


Peter Popov
pet### [at] usanet
ICQ: 15002700

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