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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbell net> wrote:
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> As many of you know there is a POV-Ray texture library hosted at
> povray.org ( http://texlib.povray.org )
No, I didn't know. After for looking for a few minutes, I finally found
it at the bottom of a page four layers deep. Since it's hosted at the
official POV-Ray site, why not put a link to it from the "Resources"
page?
> 1.) Do you think this a useful resource in its present form ?
It's not bad. One problem is that the "information" and "instructions"
pages explicitly set the text to white, and provide a background image,
but don't provide a value for the background colour -- which, if you
browse with image-loading turned off and your browser defaults to a
white background, makes it kind of difficult to read the pages.
Having to wade through several different pages of sky textures (for
example) is a little annoying, though if I generally browsed with images
enabled, it'd probably be better than waiting for all of the thumbnails
to load.
It might be nice to have an alternate indexing method -- for example, a
page which lists all of the textures within the given category, provides
general information about them (such as brief description, average
colour, texture complexity, etc.), and includes a link which will
display the example image.
A keyword-search function might be helpful, too.
> 2.) Do you think it would be a better resource if more people contributed
> to it and the textures were updated to work correctly with the latest
> versions of POV-Ray ?
Of course. But in that case, there'd definitely need to be a more
efficient way of indexing them -- unless people were really desperate,
they'd probably give up before getting through twenty or thirty pages of
the same kind of texture. Also, in that case, it would be nice if more
categories were added, such as "fabrics", "organics", and so forth,
rather than lumping such things under "misc".
> 3.) If this became a active resource for POV-Ray textures would you help
> contribute to it ?
Sure.
> 4.) Would you use the textures from this site in your scenes ?
Hmmm. Maybe, maybe not. One the one hand, I usually spend more time
tweaking my textures than I do modelling, because I want everything to
look exactly the way I envision it. On the other hand, if there was a
large selection of various media effects available, I'd certainly use
them. (I *still* can't figure out how to get media to do some of the
things I used to do with halos...)
> 5.) Should we just get rid of it because it serves no purpose, it's a dumb
> idea, who cares anyway ?
Certainly not. I wish I'd known of such a thing when I first got
started using POV-Ray.
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Jeff Lee shi### [at] gatenet http://www.gate.net/~shipbrk/
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Though I remember the resource before it was hosted at povray.org, I don't
think I ever used it. The problem with these textures is perhaps that many of
them are too simple (it may take more time to look for them or even to
remember them than to make them again), or that they are not such an
improvement on the textures found on the standard pov distribution (that I do
use because they provide some basics, like wood or glass). Also, I always
noticed that textures that look fun often have little practical use, apart
being fun.
However, I think that such a resource would be extremely valuable if the
textures were of the less-obvious kind, and of a more scene-oriented kind :
complex textures in the lines of Jeff Lee's brick pattern or SamuelT's peeling
paint isosurface texture, that would include the combination of normals,
warps, pigment maps and texture maps required to do some hard stuff. This
would make life easier for every user, from newbies who could learn from it to
"advanced" ones who could save time. What about a "skyscraper at night"
texture, for instance ? Or a "dirty wall with some irregular bricks showing
beneath the cracked paint and rusty spots" texture. Or "dull texture with very
small dents very far apart"... BTW, I find that textures are better to figure
when in context : glass textures should be shown on bottles or glasses, wood
textures on simple pieces of furniture, stones texture on stone-like blobs or
bezier patches, slope_dependent textures on height-fields and so on. Just an
idea, but I do appreciate seeing that in Bryce, for instance (at least for the
stone and terrain textures).
So the answers are :
> 1.) Do you think this a useful resource in it's present form ?
No
> 2.) Do you think it would be a better resource if more people contributed
> to it and the textures were updated to work correctly with the latest
> versions of POV-Ray ?
Yes, but only if the textures are really good, useful, complex ones and not
other versions of the standard ones, which are already there.
> 3.) If this became a active resource for POV-Ray textures would you help
> contribute to it ?
Yes
> 4.) Would you use the textures from this site in your scenes ?
Yes
> 5.) Should we just get rid of it because it serves no purpose, it's a dumb
> idea, who cares anyway ?
No. I would actually advocate this type of resource for other stuff material,
like medias, objects, macros... (of course, we have already Uncle Ken's
links...).
G.
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>Mostly. I'd like to be able to just download a single texture rather than
a
>whole set.
I wish it could work like Microsoft's ClipGallery Live, where you browse,
select the ones you like, and then download a package of just those cliparts
(textures in this case).
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In article <384CA6FF.C1237279@pacbell.net>, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet>
writes
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>
>Greetings POV-Users,
>
>
> As many of you know there is a POV-Ray texture library hosted at
>povray.org ( http://texlib.povray.org )
>
>The Technical Assistance Group and the POV-Team are debating whether it is
>serving any useful purpose and if it is worth the space it is taking up on
>the POV-Ray home page.
>
>For this reason we have five easy questions for you -
>
>1.) Do you think this a useful resource in it's present form ?
I have to say that I have only looked at it a couple of times and have
never used anything from it.
>2.) Do you think it would be a better resource if more people contributed
> to it and the textures were updated to work correctly with the latest
> versions of POV-Ray ?
I think these would both be a great help.
>3.) If this became a active resource for POV-Ray textures would you help
> contribute to it ?
If I ever get good enough at doing textures and I think that they would
be worthwhile, then yes.
>4.) Would you use the textures from this site in your scenes ?
Yes, I have not been very successful at writing textures so seeing
examples would help me learn.
>5.) Should we just get rid of it because it serves no purpose, it's a dumb
> idea, who cares anyway ?
I do not think it is a dumb idea but it needs more support and to be
compatible with the newer versions.
>We are listening and would like everyone's input on this.
>
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On Mon, 06 Dec 1999 22:19:43 -0800, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
> As many of you know there is a POV-Ray texture library hosted at
>povray.org ( http://texlib.povray.org )
>
>1.) Do you think this a useful resource in it's present form ?
No. It is too time consuming to wade through a lot of images in the hope that there
might
be one that might suit your application after some modification.
>
>2.) Do you think it would be a better resource if more people contributed
> to it and the textures were updated to work correctly with the latest
> versions of POV-Ray ?
This would help, but the present format would still deter me from using it. I prefer
something I can download and browse in my own time and at a sensible speed. One way
might
be to have an index of categorised pages of 640x480 jpg's tiled with small samples of
numbered textures to get a rough idea. Each jpg page would have an associated page of
textual description. Then just a complete list of index numbers linked to the actual
textures.
>
>3.) If this became a active resource for POV-Ray textures would you help
> contribute to it ?
If I came up with what I thought was an original and useful texture, sure.
>4.) Would you use the textures from this site in your scenes ?
If they suited the scene, certainly.
>
>5.) Should we just get rid of it because it serves no purpose, it's a dumb
> idea, who cares anyway ?
No.
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Ken wrote:
>
> Greetings POV-Users,
>
> As many of you know there is a POV-Ray texture library hosted at
> povray.org ( http://texlib.povray.org )
>
> The Technical Assistance Group and the POV-Team are debating whether it is
> serving any useful purpose and if it is worth the space it is taking up on
> the POV-Ray home page.
>
> For this reason we have five easy questions for you -
>
> 1.) Do you think this a useful resource in it's present form ?
I've never used it.
> 2.) Do you think it would be a better resource if more people
> contributed to it and the textures were updated to work correctly
> with the latest versions of POV-Ray ?
It couldn't hurt.
> 3.) If this became a active resource for POV-Ray textures would you
> help contribute to it ?
Perhaps. There is rarely any demand for my textures.
> 4.) Would you use the textures from this site in your scenes ?
I seem to be getting along fine without them...
> 5.) Should we just get rid of it because it serves no purpose, it's a
> dumb idea, who cares anyway ?
Do some publicizing to drum up interest. If that doesn't work, then it
probably isn't a very useful thing.
Regards,
John
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1.) Not for me.
2.) Not necessarily. I find textures w/o context difficult to apply
(perhaps with the exception of technical aspects such as ior).
3.) Likely, though I would like to see some contribution criteria.
4.) Depends. I like to brew-my-own, but for reference I might down load
a couple.
5.) Not necessarily. A good concept, but needs rehashing.
Further suggestions include:
a. give the textures context (e.g. an instance of application).
b. give less emphesis to color_maps.
c. give more emphesis to patterns, warps, turbulences, layered
textures, slope_maps.
d. include media densities (e.g. cloud varieties).
Abe
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When I started POV a year ago (how time does fly when waiting
for something to render) I found the most common POV thing was
textures. And as a newbie I started collecting them. I never did
get around to erasing them.
At first I tried using what I found but always found myself
tweaking them.
At most how about a single (a few?) compressed file?
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Matt Giwer wrote:
>
> When I started POV a year ago (how time does fly when waiting
> for something to render) I found the most common POV thing was
> textures. And as a newbie I started collecting them. I never did
> get around to erasing them.
>
> At first I tried using what I found but always found myself
> tweaking them.
>
> At most how about a single (a few?) compressed file?
And ... Texture View was the only thing I found useful as a
beginner and that had more than enough samples to show what was
going on with the syntax options.
--
http://www.giwersworld.org/artiii/
Oh my God! They've rendered Kenny!
How to profit from the end of civilization as know it available
here soon.
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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
news:384CA6FF.C1237279@pacbell.net...
>
>
> Greetings POV-Users,
>
>
> As many of you know there is a POV-Ray texture library hosted at
> povray.org ( http://texlib.povray.org )
>
> The Technical Assistance Group and the POV-Team are debating whether it is
> serving any useful purpose and if it is worth the space it is taking up on
> the POV-Ray home page.
>
> For this reason we have five easy questions for you -
>
> 1.) Do you think this a useful resource in it's present form ?
In a way, Yes
> 2.) Do you think it would be a better resource if more people contributed
> to it and the textures were updated to work correctly with the latest
> versions of POV-Ray ?
Yes
> 3.) If this became a active resource for POV-Ray textures would you help
> contribute to it ?
Yes, when I come around to making my own textures
> 4.) Would you use the textures from this site in your scenes ?
Yes
> 5.) Should we just get rid of it because it serves no purpose, it's a dumb
> idea, who cares anyway ?
NO!
....... Note..........
If there was a good way to search for textures ot would be realy nice. A
place where I could write in key_words during the search for example if I
wanted a wood texture with a red touch in it typing "Red , Wood" would bring
up a list of woods that are redish....
> We are listening and would like everyone's input on this.
> Your TAG dollars at work.
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