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Alan
I just flew off the handel a bit. It was Nieminen's tone that
got me a bit, I like to think of these NGs as being a safe place
to go where diversity is either enjoyed or ignored, not like the
physical world where diversity tends to be stamped on all too
often both today and in the history of so many states including
England.
I'll shut up now and go and try to make my www Micros~1
compatible.
Steve
Alan Kong wrote:
>
> On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:34:16 +0100, Steve <sjl### [at] ndirect couk> wrote:
>
> >It's a bit like saying don't talk about displacement maps because
> >most of us don't understand them.
>
> Hi, Steve. If Albert had asked in Spanish for a brief history of POV-Ray I
> wouldn't have been able to direct him to the page's .url.
>
> There's no standing rule that says that anyone *must* speak English-only
> but news.povray.org is primarily frequented by English-speaking persons.
> Posting messages in English will likely result in more than a few responses
> to questions concerning POV-Ray. This isn't a policy of exclusion - rather,
> if all parties speak English, why not post in English so others may
> participate?
>
> If, on the other hand, a person speaks only Spanish and I could speak the
> language I would try to post my reply to a Spanish-language post in both
> Spanish and English, and attempt to translate the context of the question
> for the benefit of others. Unfortunately, I cannot understand Spanish :(
>
> --
> Alan
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Cheers
Steve
email - mailto:sjl### [at] ndirectcouk
%HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee.
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Alan Kong wrote:
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> Hi, Alberto. Try Dan Farmer's, "A Bit of History and a Lot of Name
> Dropping", which can be found at:
Thanks Alan. I enjoyed the reading.
> Hi, Steve. If Albert had asked in Spanish for a brief history of
> POV-Ray I
> wouldn't have been able to direct him to the page's .url.
Well, actually I was thinking about a full history of POV-Ray.
BTW Anthony was telling me that there was a document in twysted.net
about the history of POV-Ray. I misunderstood him and he made his point
clear.
Steve wrote:
> Algunos meses pasado Nathan fue produciendo una imagen para la
> estaban algunos fuentes de informacion sobre la tema. Creo que
> era la ronda de historia.
Thanks Steve. This time uncle Tyler didn't say anything. ??
I think that somewhere in www.povray.org there should be some pages
dedicated to the history of POV-Ray. After all (I'm afraid I can't count
anymore after reading the thread about the new millennium) povray will
be 10 years old in one year and sometime more.
For example:
"The mac implementation of version 3.1g suddenly went into history
because a little uncommented line. As posted by Chris Huff in July 31
> ... Macintosh source code has a line that was accidentally left
> uncommented. If this line is commented and POV is recompiled, the
> problem dissappears.
> The line is in PovMacInit.h, line 71
But the POV-Ray team took action immediately and..."
Well, I was thinking aloud.
I also suggest the creation of a museum. The galleries could be named
after the distinct POV-Ray versions and could hold representative scenes
done with the version in question.
Alberto.
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On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:55:21 +0100, Steve <sjl### [at] ndirectcouk> wrote:
>I'll shut up now...
No need to go that far, Steve. Warp (Nieminen Mika) is very good at
getting his point across in short fashion. I was following this thread and
was trying to think of a way to basically say the same thing without
ruffling anyone's feathers. Warp beat me to it.
Hope you didn't take offense at my post. I tend to be long-winded in some
posts. This is generally a good sign that I feel the intended recipient is a
reasonable sort, otherwise I wouldn't expend the time to compose a message
:)
Back to the thread topic...
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On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:06:51 -0400, Alberto <ame### [at] mausbve> wrote:
>Well, actually I was thinking about a full history of POV-Ray.
Do you mean a *version* history of POV-Ray? I don't think such a document
exists in the form of a single text file. I believe that all minor revisions
(such as v3.1 to v3.1g) contain a revision or what's-new text file but these
might be lost when going to each new major version (v2.2 to v3.0 to v3.1).
>I also suggest the creation of a museum. The galleries could be named
>after the distinct POV-Ray versions and could hold representative scenes
>done with the version in question.
I suppose that the IRTC can be considered as such. As POV-Ray gains new
features, the art submitted to the IRTC will tend to show off these
features, depending upon the topic of the contest. Of course, this is not
broken down by POV-Ray version, only by the chronological date of each
contest topic.
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On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:16:47 +0200, "Wojtek Bauman"
<rea### [at] spleenwawpl> wrote:
>Heheh :) What would happen if I began to post my articles in
>Polish? Would _anyone_ understand them? ;)
Tak :)
I think I'll just ask my neighbour for help.
I was in Poland back in 1991. I liked it, esp. having in mind what
Bulgaria looked like at the time. I saw many things I hadn't seen
before and it doesn't really take a lot to fascinate an 11-year-old
kid. I went to Gdansk and you'd be right in guessing I couldn't resist
the prices and quality of amber there, so my mother is still wearing
an bracelet, says it helps her blood pressure somehow (?!).
OK, enough OT rambling on my side, I just felt like I had to share :)
Peter Popov
ICQ: 15002700
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Alan Kong wrote:
> Do you mean a *version* history of POV-Ray? I don't think such a document
> exists in the form of a single text file. I believe that all minor revisions
> (such as v3.1 to v3.1g) contain a revision or what's-new text file but these
> might be lost when going to each new major version (v2.2 to v3.0 to v3.1).
>
Yes, but this is only one aspect that should be covered. I was also thinking in
the history of POV-Ray more in the human point of view. People involved in the
development of distinct aspects of POV-Ray, telling stories about their mood
when they were working the details. Stories about the discussion of the
implementation of new features, the development of the syntax, etc. This could
be done in the form of articles and interviews. I'm aware that this suggestions
will demand a lot of work but I think many users and non-users will enjoy it.
>
> >I also suggest the creation of a museum. The galleries could be named
> >after the distinct POV-Ray versions and could hold representative scenes
> >done with the version in question.
>
> I suppose that the IRTC can be considered as such. As POV-Ray gains new
> features, the art submitted to the IRTC will tend to show off these
> features, depending upon the topic of the contest. Of course, this is not
> broken down by POV-Ray version, only by the chronological date of each
> contest topic.
I agree because until now most of the scenes submitted to the IRTC were
rendered with POV-Ray. But this may change in the future.
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Alan Kong <ako### [at] pacbellno-spamnet> wrote:
: Do you mean a *version* history of POV-Ray? I don't think such a document
: exists in the form of a single text file. I believe that all minor revisions
: (such as v3.1 to v3.1g) contain a revision or what's-new text file but these
: might be lost when going to each new major version (v2.2 to v3.0 to v3.1).
Such a document would be quite interesting to read. Does the material
still exist? Is anyone willing to compile all the material into one
document?
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Nieminen Mika wrote:
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> Alan Kong <ako### [at] pacbellno-spamnet> wrote:
> : Do you mean a *version* history of POV-Ray? I don't think such a document
> : exists in the form of a single text file. I believe that all minor revisions
> : (such as v3.1 to v3.1g) contain a revision or what's-new text file but these
> : might be lost when going to each new major version (v2.2 to v3.0 to v3.1).
>
> Such a document would be quite interesting to read. Does the material
> still exist? Is anyone willing to compile all the material into one
> document?
I'm willing to bet that Chris Young has or knows the majority of this
information though whether or not he would be interested in such a project
is another story altogether.
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>On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:16:47 +0200, "Wojtek Bauman"
><rea### [at] spleenwawpl> wrote:
>
>>Heheh :) What would happen if I began to post my articles in
>>Polish? Would _anyone_ understand them? ;)
>
>Tak :)
Whoa! This is the first Polish word I hear (read) on this server :)
>I think I'll just ask my neighbour for help.
>
>I was in Poland back in 1991. I liked it, esp. having in mind what
>Bulgaria looked like at the time. I saw many things I hadn't seen
>before and it doesn't really take a lot to fascinate an 11-year-old
>kid. I went to Gdansk and you'd be right in guessing I couldn't resist
>the prices and quality of amber there, so my mother is still wearing
>an bracelet, says it helps her blood pressure somehow (?!).
Yes, Gdansk seemed fine to me too. But I've always been living
in Warsaw.
>OK, enough OT rambling on my side, I just felt like I had to share :)
Ok.
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On Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:33:55 -0400, Alberto <ame### [at] mausbve> wrote:
>I was also thinking in
>the history of POV-Ray more in the human point of view. People involved in the
>development of distinct aspects of POV-Ray, telling stories about their mood
>when they were working the details. Stories about the discussion of the
>implementation of new features, the development of the syntax, etc. This could
>be done in the form of articles and interviews. I'm aware that this suggestions
>will demand a lot of work but I think many users and non-users will enjoy it.
The human side... yeah, it was and is interesting, much of the time. Much
of the discussion is similar to what you might read from the posts in the
povray.programming or povray.unofficial.patches groups. Things like
portability issues might be brought up. Other times, a POV-Team member will
share an interesting e-mail with the others, or direct us to check out a
really novel use for POV-Ray.
I vaguely recall some discussions that took place when Dieter Bayer began
to implement his vista and light buffers from his FTPOV (FasterThanPOV-Ray)
unofficial patch into the official POV-Ray after he joined the Team.
Many of the POV-Team members have made an effort to meet up with some of
the others at events such as SIGGRAPH over the years. There used to be a
JPEG or .gif posted in the CompuServe file libraries of (I think) Dan
Farmer, Lutz Kretzschmar, (hey, Xander, were you in that one?) and some
other early Team members but I no longer have the image :( I do remember one
instance a few years ago on CompuServe when things somehow took a silly turn
and one of the members got us started on that word game (anagrams?) that
took the letters that form "Persistence of Vision" and used them to spell
other words and phrases. It proceeded to go from amusing to extremely
outrageous (not suitable for viewing by children or those offended by the
mention of body parts!). It was quite hilarious and I wish I had saved those
posts before my old machines died.
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