I wasn't aware of Xoom having those things in the agreement. Man... but wait, when
I signed it several months ago, I agreed to that contract, and not the current
one, right?

BTW, in Panama, the legal age for working is 14. A friend of mine at school sells
computer parts, and another records CDs for several national artists. I was
offered a full-time job as a tour-guide, but had to decline because of school, and
because the place I would tour people at is on an island (Barro Colorado), and I
get seasick.

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I wouldn't mind paying for some webspace there, so long as the amount is fair,
and the service is good (which I am sure it would be). I also feel that the
wonderful people that bring us POV-Ray deserve a little 'incentive' to keep
working other than just a pat on the back. BTW, where do I mail the check, and
when do I get my webpage?

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Let's just send money to a designated person and when it's enough, he/she
purchases the necessary equipment, and sends it and the rest of the cash to a
designated POV-team member. How about it?

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> I am open to the idea of doing this, provided it was worthwhile.

It is. =) For you and us.

> I own the domain 'raytrace.com' which I could use for hosting. i.e. you could
> have 'yourname.raytrace.com', or 'www.raytrace.com/yourname', depending on the
> type of server you want (a full virtual server like the former would cost
> more). The pages would be physically located on the POV-Ray server.

I prefer the idea of 'myname.povray.org', but that other one sounds good too.

> But it's not worthwhile unless I get some idea of how many folks would pay for
> this, how much they'd be willing to pay for setup, and how much per month
> they'd pay.

I think step one is to make a survey and get a list of names of people that are
100% sure they want a webpage there. Based on the amount of people versus the cost
of this project, we figure out a price that meets the project's goals, and makes
the interested parties happy. Since I am sure there will be LOTS of interested
people, the price won't be a real problem for anybody.

> We can't compete against the 'free' web sites, and wouldn't even be competitive
> against most of the non-free ones, but at least in the process you'll get an
> ad-free ad popup-free web site and help fund this system at the same time.

This isn't about competing, that's pretty clear here (I hope). This is about people
who love creating raytraced art/images and like working and contributing together.
I think this project should break even, except for a certain amount going to the
POV-Team, who really deserves it after all these years, especially to keep the ball
rolling and the team up-to-date with all the latest programmer tools they need. =)

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>I prefer the idea of 'myname.povray.org', but that other one sounds good too.

The team would prefer to keep povray.org for official purposes.

>I think step one is to make a survey and get a list of names of people that are
>100% sure they want a webpage there. Based on the amount of people versus the cost

Well, I'll take people's statements in followups to this thread as being a good
indication of general interest. If I can see that there is sufficient interest
I'll set up a system to take pre-orders for space. If I get enough I'll set it
up. It'll mean purchasing a new hard disk so I have to make sure it's
worthwhile.

-- Chris

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Alan Kong wrote:
> 
>   People shouldn't be surprised to learn that the system that hosts these
> newsgroups and povray.org wasn't donated to the POV-Team by some generous
> benefactor. Neither are the developer tools that the POV-Team uses to bring
> us our beloved POV-Ray.

The development tools I use are the exception.  I would like to take
this opportunity to thank rms and everyone else who has contributed to
the software I use to work on the Unix version.  I enjoy the benefits of
software donated by many generous benefactors, and I'm just trying to
follow their example.

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Mark Gordon
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> The team would prefer to keep povray.org for official purposes.

You're right. On second thought, the other sounds better. (=

> Well, I'll take people's statements in followups to this thread as being a good
> indication of general interest. If I can see that there is sufficient interest
> I'll set up a system to take pre-orders for space. If I get enough I'll set it
> up. It'll mean purchasing a new hard disk so I have to make sure it's
> worthwhile.

OK. I'll be waiting. (C'mon people! Get up and tell him how much you want it!!!)

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Quite frankly, I hadn't thought of putting up a personal web page. But this is
an interesting opportunity and I daresay I could offer something if I put my
mind to it. Besides, having to pay for the stuff would probably motivate me to
keep updating... So yes, I support the idea.

Margus

POV-Ray Newsadmin wrote:
> 
> >I prefer the idea of 'myname.povray.org', but that other one sounds good too.
> 
> The team would prefer to keep povray.org for official purposes.
> 
> >I think step one is to make a survey and get a list of names of people that are
> >100% sure they want a webpage there. Based on the amount of people versus the cost
> 
> Well, I'll take people's statements in followups to this thread as being a good
> indication of general interest. If I can see that there is sufficient interest
> I'll set up a system to take pre-orders for space. If I get enough I'll set it
> up. It'll mean purchasing a new hard disk so I have to make sure it's
> worthwhile.
> 
> -- Chris

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POV-Ray Newsadmin wrote:

> >I prefer the idea of 'myname.povray.org', but that other one sounds good too.
>
> The team would prefer to keep povray.org for official purposes.
>
> >I think step one is to make a survey and get a list of names of people that are
> >100% sure they want a webpage there. Based on the amount of people versus the cost
>
> Well, I'll take people's statements in followups to this thread as being a good
> indication of general interest. If I can see that there is sufficient interest
> I'll set up a system to take pre-orders for space. If I get enough I'll set it
> up. It'll mean purchasing a new hard disk so I have to make sure it's
> worthwhile.
>
> -- Chris

Here is my vote for the project. I already have a site with gci.net (Alaska, USA)
<http://home.gci.net/~mrart/>
But still, to have my site right next to "povray.org" just might convince my wife of
20
years that this is not
just a stupid hobby (not to mention the ego boost that I could get).
    Oh, if you do stop by my pages, would someone * please * mail me and tell how to
set up a counter?
I know I see that page al ot (after all it IS my home page) , but does anyone else?

Thanks,
Mr. Art

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POV-Ray Newsadmin wrote:
> 
> I am open to the idea of doing this, provided it was worthwhile.
> 
> I own the domain 'raytrace.com' which I could use for hosting. i.e. you could
> have 'yourname.raytrace.com', or 'www.raytrace.com/yourname', depending on the
> type of server you want (a full virtual server like the former would cost
> more). The pages would be physically located on the POV-Ray server.
> 
> But it's not worthwhile unless I get some idea of how many folks would pay for
> this, how much they'd be willing to pay for setup, and how much per month
> they'd pay.
> 
> We can't compete against the 'free' web sites, and wouldn't even be competitive
> against most of the non-free ones, but at least in the process you'll get an
> ad-free ad popup-free web site and help fund this system at the same time.
> 
> -- Chris

Thank you for your offer!

I guess the response isn't that good to start the trouble of an
additional web-server. There's still a difference between "free"
webspace and webspace you have to pay for. I had thought that maybe
aadvertising could be the key to a free service but rethinking it you
need a lot of time to get some companies to place some ads on your
server (and pay for it). Maybe a new povray CD-ROM would provide a
better investment-time to earned mony ratio.

All the Best,

Marc 
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Marc Schimmler

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