Ken,

I recommend using "Help Topics/Find" to quick jump to a section in the help
file. The topics are accessible through keywords, for example to get to the
float functions section, just type "float" and select "float functions" from
the list that comes up.

There's also the option to use the help file in other formats, i.e word, html
and pdf format. (I know at least the word version alows you to "scroll down
by just resting one finger on the keyboard".)

- Mikael.

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You could try to compile the UNIX text version of povray which outputs
all the text to stdout/stderr.

-- 
main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/

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You might just have an idea there Mikael, if I can find the source for a
UNIX version that simply displays the text to stdout, I might be able to
compile it with little or no changes using djgpp under MS-DOS, this MIGHT
work, thanks for the idea.

- Tim -

Mikael Carneholm <sa9### [at] idautbhbse> wrote in message
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> Ken,
>
> I recommend using "Help Topics/Find" to quick jump to a section in the
help
> file. The topics are accessible through keywords, for example to get to
the
> float functions section, just type "float" and select "float functions"
from
> the list that comes up.
>
> There's also the option to use the help file in other formats, i.e word,
html
> and pdf format. (I know at least the word version alows you to "scroll
down
> by just resting one finger on the keyboard".)
>
> - Mikael.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Mikael Carneholm
> Dep. of Computer Science

>
> http://www.studenter.hb.se/~arch
> E-mail: sa9### [at] idautbhbse
>
>

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On Mon, 17 May 1999 00:03:08 -0700, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:

>Your reply just reminded me of a question I have been meaning to ask
>for a while now. When I upgraded from Pov v3.01 to Pov v3.1 The help
>file that I have is not in a version that allows you to quote chapter
>and verse like the previous version did and yours still seems to allow.

  Wanna hear something strange? I'm glad you mentioned this because I
never noticed the change in the version of the docs that come with
POV-Ray for Windows because my personal preference is to use the .pdf
(Adobe Acrobat) version on my Windows machine. I like to watch the
page number counter at the bottom of Acrobat Reader spin along when
it's performing a search for me <s>.

  I didn't realize that with the POV-Win Help there is no longer any
way to reference the section numbers! I'll make an inquiry in the back
office to see what the Team thinks about this.
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Alan Kong wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 17 May 1999 00:03:08 -0700, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
> 
> >Your reply just reminded me of a question I have been meaning to ask
> >for a while now. When I upgraded from Pov v3.01 to Pov v3.1 The help
> >file that I have is not in a version that allows you to quote chapter
> >and verse like the previous version did and yours still seems to allow.
> 
>   Wanna hear something strange? I'm glad you mentioned this because I
> never noticed the change in the version of the docs that come with
> POV-Ray for Windows because my personal preference is to use the .pdf
> (Adobe Acrobat) version on my Windows machine. I like to watch the
> page number counter at the bottom of Acrobat Reader spin along when
> it's performing a search for me <s>.
> 
>   I didn't realize that with the POV-Win Help there is no longer any
> way to reference the section numbers! I'll make an inquiry in the back
> office to see what the Team thinks about this.
> --
> Alan

  I would really appreciate it if you would. There are many times I
look up a proceedure in the docs when replying to someones question
and then proceed to tell the person in need of help to read such and
such section if my explaination is not clear enough. It is nearly
impossible to direct them to the exact location because there is no
way to know where it is since the change to the new help files.

Thank you for taking an interest in this issue Alan.


  One thing I have wondered and never went so far as trying for
myself is if the Win Word version of the docs is displayed internaly
or does the system have to spawn an outside application each time
you want to use the online documentation. If you had to go with an
external progam each time that sure would be a lot of wasted time
waiting for a file the size of the Pov docs to load and become usable.
The current system becomes available in about 8 sec internaly which
is a bearable amount of time to wait.

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Heh, uh,...Ken? I printed out the docs when I got 3.01. <G>
I won't do it again, but there are a majority of sections still valid. :)

Thanks for bringing this up. The new method drives me nuts.

GrimDude
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I second that about the help file, but imagine that the
younger/newer users would find the new format more accessible.

So maybe it would be good to have the help files in the two
different formats, or at least have the current information in
the old format available for download, as packaging two lots of
help would increase the size of the package unreasonably.

Ken wrote:
> 
> Alan Kong wrote:
> >
> >   See docs sections 3.2.5.2 and 3.2.5.3 for a list of command line
> > switches or keywords to be used in an .ini file. I have the messages
> > directed to file for each trace, rather than to the console.
> > --
> > Alan
> 
>    Your reply just reminded me of a question I have been meaning to ask
> for a while now. When I upgraded from Pov v3.01 to Pov v3.1 The help
> file that I have is not in a version that allows you to quote chapter
> and verse like the previous version did and yours still seems to allow.
> 
> The help file has this to say about itself:
> == - - > This help file was produced from HTML source by WebTwin
> 
>   Is there another win help file available that will allow access
> to the doumentation pages via section and paragraph without having
> to go through through the menu selection process for each topic I
> wish to look up such as the current version force me to so do ?
>   I much preferred the previous version and would like to see a return
> to those simpler times when you could scroll through the entire help
> file with only one finger resting on a down or up arrow on the key board.
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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I printed it out at work when I got the old version, it held the
printer up all morning, but was well worth it.  I've got it all
in a big ring binder and still use it almost all the time as the
new help format is horible. 

GrimDude wrote:
> 
> Heh, uh,...Ken? I printed out the docs when I got 3.01. <G>
> I won't do it again, but there are a majority of sections still valid. :)
> 
> Thanks for bringing this up. The new method drives me nuts.
> 
> GrimDude
> vos### [at] arkansasnet

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On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:22:11 +0100, Steve <sjl### [at] ndirectcouk> wrote:

>So maybe it would be good to have the help files in the two
>different formats[..]

  Hi, Steve. If you go to www.povray.org you will find the official
documentation in three different formats - Word97, HTML, and Adobe Acrobat
(.pdf).

http://www.povray.org/ftp/pub/povray/Official/Docs/

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Thanks Alan

I checked it out yesterday and got my Word version,  dohn't know
why I didn't look there in the first place.  I tend to think of
the Pov.org as being old ground, so don't look there much.


Alan Kong wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:22:11 퍝, Steve <sjl### [at] ndirectcouk> wrote:
> 
> >So maybe it would be good to have the help files in the two
> >different formats[..]
> 
>   Hi, Steve. If you go to www.povray.org you will find the official
> documentation in three different formats - Word97, HTML, and Adobe Acrobat
> (.pdf).
> 
> http://www.povray.org/ftp/pub/povray/Official/Docs/
> 
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