In POV 3.02 , the definitions of the key strokes for Home, End, etc.,
worked just like that in MS Notepad (and Wordperfect, and the OS/2 Text
editor, etc.,  etc.,).

In POV 3.1, the End key does not move to the end of the actual text on a
line, but for some reason moves one practically offscreen to the far
right.

I cannot imagine many practical implications for wanting the "end" to be
the "farthest possible end of the line".  In fact, it introduces a lot
of inconvenience when cutting & pasting text, as I often find myself
doing.  I don't see any way to turn this annoying feature off.

Why was it changed?  Can we make POV 3.5 just like the good old days?

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"Greg M. Johnson" <"greg;-)j56590"> wrote:
: In POV 3.1, the End key does not move to the end of the actual text on a
: line, but for some reason moves one practically offscreen to the far
: right.

  In my copy of 3.1 the end key works just fine: it goes to the end of
the line.
  Perhaps you have lots of whitespaces at the end of the lines?

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Greg M. Johnson wrote:
> 
> In POV 3.02 , the definitions of the key strokes for Home, End, etc.,
> worked just like that in MS Notepad (and Wordperfect, and the OS/2 Text
> editor, etc.,  etc.,).
> 
> In POV 3.1, the End key does not move to the end of the actual text on a
> line, but for some reason moves one practically offscreen to the far
> right.
> 
> I cannot imagine many practical implications for wanting the "end" to be
> the "farthest possible end of the line".  In fact, it introduces a lot
> of inconvenience when cutting & pasting text, as I often find myself
> doing.  I don't see any way to turn this annoying feature off.
> 
> Why was it changed?  Can we make POV 3.5 just like the good old days?



   It has changed for the better so I will have to disagree with you.
 I think it would be a step backward for the program.

  If you have extra spaces at the end of the text then the cursor will go
 to the end of the line spaces and all. If you press the end key a second
 time then the cursor will snap to the end of the text. Also if you make
 sure you don't have extra spaces at the end of a text string you won't
 have the problem in the first place. The home key functions the same as
 the end key. The first press will take you to the border and the second
 will snap to the first character of text in the line.

   There is a very extensive set of references for the new editor
 included with the distribution. You can access this by simply pressing
 F1 then scroll down to where it mentions the new editor features. Click
 the link and it will take you to a full set of instructions and editor
 specifications. If you take the time to learn how to use all of the new
 features you will never go back to note pad again. I use the new Pov
 editor for all of my letter/code writing activities and MS Word sits
 on my hard drive unused taking up valuable real estate.

 For the record I hated the characteristics of the old editor and much
 prefer this version.

 We stand at one for one against.

-- 
Ken Tyler

mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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This is where I'll add something:
You can switch to view spaces too if need be. (CodeMax Editor)
On menu use Text/Show White Space or keyboard Ctrl+Alt+T and you will
get small centered squares in place of the spaces.


Nieminen Mika wrote:
> 
> "Greg M. Johnson" <"greg;-)j56590"> wrote:
> : In POV 3.1, the End key does not move to the end of the actual text on a
> : line, but for some reason moves one practically offscreen to the far
> : right.
> 
>   In my copy of 3.1 the end key works just fine: it goes to the end of
> the line.
>   Perhaps you have lots of whitespaces at the end of the lines?
> 
> --
> main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
> ):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/

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Bob Hughes wrote:
> 
> This is where I'll add something:
> You can switch to view spaces too if need be. (CodeMax Editor)
> On menu use Text/Show White Space or keyboard Ctrl+Alt+T and you will
> get small centered squares in place of the spaces.

  Boy that sounds like it would make for visualy attractive looking code.

NOT !

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mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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No kidding "not". I tried it and quickly judged it to be old
computer-age looking. bleep,bleep,bleep,bleep,bleep,ble---

Ken wrote:
> 
> Bob Hughes wrote:
> >
> > This is where I'll add something:
> > You can switch to view spaces too if need be. (CodeMax Editor)
> > On menu use Text/Show White Space or keyboard Ctrl+Alt+T and you will
> > get small centered squares in place of the spaces.
> 
>   Boy that sounds like it would make for visualy attractive looking code.
> 
> NOT !
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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Nieminen Mika wrote in message <36fa4155.0@news.povray.org>...
>"Greg M. Johnson" <"greg;-)j56590"> wrote:
>: In POV 3.1, the End key does not move to the end of the actual text on a
>: line, but for some reason moves one practically offscreen to the far
>: right.
>
>  In my copy of 3.1 the end key works just fine: it goes to the end of
>the line.
>  Perhaps you have lots of whitespaces at the end of the lines?

I have had this problem, the question is how to avoid the spaces at the end
of the line in the first place. I certainly never typed them there, and
clicking the mouse past the end of the line "shouldn't" insert them, so
whence the spaces?

In general though I would agree with Ken that the new editor is very cool. I
particularly like the block indent/outdent feature. Makes cleaning up your
indenting real easy. (Though Ken wouldn't use this feature!)

Thanks for any hints on this.

Gordon
<gbe### [at] birdcameroncomau>

>
>--
>main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
>):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/

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Gordon wrote:

> In general though I would agree with Ken that the new editor is very cool. I
> particularly like the block indent/outdent feature. Makes cleaning up your
> indenting real easy. (Though Ken wouldn't use this feature!)
> 
> Thanks for any hints on this.
> 
> Gordon
> <gbe### [at] birdcameroncomau>

  Excuse me I have some questions.



 What is indenting ?

 Is this a new feature in Pov ?

 Will it make my scenes look any better when they render ?

 Will it take up less space on my hard drive when I use it ?

 How do they stick them little worms inside Mexican jumping beans -
 are they indented into it ?

 Will I be able to see more script on the editing page at one
 time using this method ?

 Will my files compress more when archived if I used indented
 script ?

 Will the rendering engine handle the file any differently one
 way or another if I do or if I do not ?

 How do they electroplate plastic products when plastic does not
 conduct electricity and does indenting have anything to do with
 it ?

 If indenting is such an effecient method of writting data why
 haven't modern book and magazine publishers started selling books
 with indented pages ?

 Will it make any difference in the greater scheme of things
 30 years from now ?

 Will society condem me and will I be ostrisized for non indented
 code ?

 Can you look at an image and tell if indenting was used to produce
 it ?


 I have the answer to all of these quetions if you want to hear it.

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On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:50:07 -0800, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
> Will my files compress more when archived if I used indented
> script ?

As a percentage of original size, probably yes.  :)

You forgot "Will my code be easier to decipher when I come back to it in 
five years?" and "Would other (dare I say normal?) people be able to 
understand my code without going to a lot of work to indent it themselves?"

Though with that said, I prefer no indenting to incorrect indenting.

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My, my , touchy today aren't we!

I have no argument with any of the points you raise. I however personally
find several hundred line of nested loops and conditional statements easier
to decipher when I haven't looked at it for a few days/months if it is
indented. If you don't, "vive la difference". It is only a preference, not a
religious belief after all (and hence not worth fighing over! (not that I
think religious beliefs are either)).

Regards,
Gordon

Ken wrote in message <36FF4CCF.D2E56451@pacbell.net>...
>Gordon wrote:
>
>> In general though I would agree with Ken that the new editor is very
cool. I
>> particularly like the block indent/outdent feature. Makes cleaning up
your
>> indenting real easy. (Though Ken wouldn't use this feature!)
>>
>> Thanks for any hints on this.
>>
>> Gordon
>> <gbe### [at] birdcameroncomau>
>
>  Excuse me I have some questions.
>
>
>
> What is indenting ?
>
> Is this a new feature in Pov ?
>
> Will it make my scenes look any better when they render ?
>
> Will it take up less space on my hard drive when I use it ?
>
> How do they stick them little worms inside Mexican jumping beans -
> are they indented into it ?
>
> Will I be able to see more script on the editing page at one
> time using this method ?
>
> Will my files compress more when archived if I used indented
> script ?
>
> Will the rendering engine handle the file any differently one
> way or another if I do or if I do not ?
>
> How do they electroplate plastic products when plastic does not
> conduct electricity and does indenting have anything to do with
> it ?
>
> If indenting is such an effecient method of writting data why
> haven't modern book and magazine publishers started selling books
> with indented pages ?
>
> Will it make any difference in the greater scheme of things
> 30 years from now ?
>
> Will society condem me and will I be ostrisized for non indented
> code ?
>
> Can you look at an image and tell if indenting was used to produce
> it ?
>
>
> I have the answer to all of these quetions if you want to hear it.
>
>--
>Ken Tyler
>
>mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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