Well, there have been some regular female IRTC participants, I'm
currently thinking of Sonya Roberts, Mary-Ann Mandel and Ethel McKay.
There are some others, but their names doesn't come to mind right now...

Fabien.

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Fabien Mosen wrote:
> 
> Well, there have been some regular female IRTC participants, I'm
> currently thinking of Sonya Roberts, Mary-Ann Mandel and Ethel McKay.
> There are some others, but their names doesn't come to mind right now...
> 
> Fabien.

  I've been waiting for someone to bring this up. I agree there
are female pov artists out there, Jenni Williams a regular poster
in the images group for one Eric's wife for another, but they seem
to be the exception rather than the rule. When I posed the question
it was carefully stated "the majority" rather than the "only users".
I didn't want to be exclusionary in my observations and obviously
Sonya has made some excellent contributions in not only the art but
also in passing along her knowledge of the program to others.

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Ken wrote in message <36886953.C40E7E29@pacbell.net>...
>tin### [at] tezcatcom wrote:
>>
>> >There was a program on TV a few weeks ago that talked about differences
>> >between male and female brain functions... (yeah, interesting eh? ;)...
but
>> >one thing it did appear to show (from medical and experimental data) was
>> >that the majority of women find it considerably harder to visualise 3D
>> >images/objects/space than men.
>>
>> Odd, in light of the fact that I was taught that women were better at
>> spatial relations than men. Of course, they seem to routinely change
>> their findings on this topic...
>
>I have heard the same as you concerning spatial relations.


Hey, sorry... I was just reporting what I'd heard on a science program last
month. I don't really have any way to verify it personally though, so I
suppose it can't be taken as my own view.  Just seemed a reasonable reason,
that's all..


Matt

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I prefer some of the images produced by the (women, girls, gals,
females....) over what
some of the (men, boys, guys, males...) produce.  It seems that a majority
(not all) of what
the males produce are space ship related.  If there are any (women, girls,
gals, females....)
reading this, please continue to post your images - they are certainly
enjoyed by me, if not
others.

Mike


Ken wrote in message <36887AD3.472B2570@pacbell.net>...
>Fabien Mosen wrote:
>>
>> Well, there have been some regular female IRTC participants, I'm
>> currently thinking of Sonya Roberts, Mary-Ann Mandel and Ethel McKay.
>> There are some others, but their names doesn't come to mind right now...
>>
>> Fabien.
>
>  I've been waiting for someone to bring this up. I agree there
>are female pov artists out there, Jenni Williams a regular poster
>in the images group for one Eric's wife for another, but they seem
>to be the exception rather than the rule. When I posed the question
>it was carefully stated "the majority" rather than the "only users".
>I didn't want to be exclusionary in my observations and obviously
>Sonya has made some excellent contributions in not only the art but
>also in passing along her knowledge of the program to others.
>
>--
>Ken Tyler
>
>tyl### [at] pacbellnet

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Treading carefully, here I go ...

I disagree with the Social Engineering analysis presented by Tina.  My
experience, in Engineering and IT Consulting, is that this area of endeavor
is well represented by many women.  I hire them and have for 20 some years
(in companies large (e.g. Ford) and small (too many examples to count ...)).
As a matter of fact, my wife has a BSCE, BSEE, MSEE and is very active in
these areas.  The IT projects I currently manage are staffed at least by 50%
females or more.

So ...

I think some other comments made in this thread need to be re-examined in
the light of current reality and not colored by past prejudice or opinions
or other politically motivated criteria that are inappropriate for
discussion here.

Jim

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Hi all

As an old man who has been around the arts for a long time I personaly feel
that women have established themselves very much as artists and creators.

I feel that women artists bring a percetion and sensitivity to the
expression of human experience that few men if any can match.

I can't speak for the science but the more we encourage the ladies to use
pov the higher the standard of the images will be.

Mick

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Ken heeft geschreven in bericht <36886953.C40E7E29@pacbell.net>...
>  That was my attraction to the program. I can't draw decent stick
>men with a pencil but with Pov-Ray my artistic skills, be they what
>they are, have found an avenue of expression. Something I never would
>have thought possible a few short years ago. Such is the reason that
>I would have thought more women too would enjoy the art. Maybe they
>do but are just under represented in the newgroups.
>
>--
>Ken Tyler
>
>tyl### [at] pacbellnet

I have learned to draw be look how the computer did it :-)
Well...  I can draw a bit, I even could it long before I've ever seen a
renderprogram, but using shading and such things, I've learned that by
rendering on the computer (mostly with POVRay).
So, rendering has thought me how to draw.

ZK

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That's what I heard as well.  I thought it was that women use visual senses
more than gravitational senses to determine spatial orientation and that it
is therefore harder for them to visualise 3D objects etc... I think that's
what it was anyway, maybe I should do a little research on it.  In any case,
there are more female 3D artists out there than most people give credit for.
One that comes to mid straight away is Eni Oken (www.oken3d.com).  I think
for the most part females have more artisitic ability than males.

--
Lance.


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Matthew Bennett wrote in message <3688e58f.0@news.povray.org>...
>
>Ken wrote in message <36886953.C40E7E29@pacbell.net>...
>>tin### [at] tezcatcom wrote:
>>>
>>> >There was a program on TV a few weeks ago that talked about differences
>>> >between male and female brain functions... (yeah, interesting eh? ;)...
>but
>>> >one thing it did appear to show (from medical and experimental data)
was
>>> >that the majority of women find it considerably harder to visualise 3D
>>> >images/objects/space than men.
>>>
>>> Odd, in light of the fact that I was taught that women were better at
>>> spatial relations than men. Of course, they seem to routinely change
>>> their findings on this topic...
>>
>>I have heard the same as you concerning spatial relations.
>
>
>Hey, sorry... I was just reporting what I'd heard on a science program last
>month. I don't really have any way to verify it personally though, so I
>suppose it can't be taken as my own view.  Just seemed a reasonable reason,
>that's all..
>
>
>Matt
>
>

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Jim Kress wrote:
> 
> Treading carefully, here I go ...
> 
> I disagree with the Social Engineering analysis presented by Tina.  My
> experience, in Engineering and IT Consulting, is that this area of endeavor
> is well represented by many women.  I hire them and have for 20 some years
> (in companies large (e.g. Ford) and small (too many examples to count ...)).
> As a matter of fact, my wife has a BSCE, BSEE, MSEE and is very active in
> these areas.  The IT projects I currently manage are staffed at least by 50%
> females or more.
> 
> So ...
> 
> I think some other comments made in this thread need to be re-examined in
> the light of current reality and not colored by past prejudice or opinions
> or other politically motivated criteria that are inappropriate for
> discussion here.
> 
> Jim

This topic does require a careful tread... :)

I agree that this newsgroup isn't the place for prejudice or political
opinions but I haven't seen anything inappropriate in this thread yet, which
was started by someone wondering why there seemed to be so few women using POV-Ray.
As for the current reality, contributors to this newsgroup seem to be nearly
all male, which suggests that Pov users are mostly male. I doubt that the
current reality lends convincing evidence of an even (or mostly female) gender
balance in the 'hard' sciences, or in most technical fields, even noting your
experience. Obviously this doesn't mean that there are no counter-examples.
There are female Pov artists, computer programmers, physicists, etc. But
currently there tend to be fewer women in these areas as there are men.

As for the mental differences (now that I've committed myself on this topic) I
suspect that they are minimal (although not nonexistent) and that society is
at fault more than genetics (everything's always society's fault!) for this
gender imbalance.

-Mark R.

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Very well said Mark, I agree totally.

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