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From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: sPatch -> Povray Export Argghh!
Date: 6 Nov 1998 06:30:40
Message: <3642DDD3.B2E01D32@flash.net>
Lance Birch wrote:
> 
> You can expect that from large numbers of patch objects.  In a scene I made
> with sPatch, POV-Ray got my swwp-file near 1 Gig!!!  The picture can be
> found on my website by the way, in the POV-Ray gallery...  it's called Rose
> (It's the weird looking flower surrounded by thorns). 

That would be
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/parallax/359/pov_rose.jpg

Interesting, I far prefer the following, which is one of my
favorite POV images ever... very elegant! :
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/parallax/359/pov_torus.jpg

How long did this one take to parse ? :)

Dan
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From: Margus Ramst
Subject: Re: sPatch -> Povray Export Argghh!
Date: 6 Nov 1998 07:50:59
Message: <3642F083.EA1AE501@peak.edu.ee>
Lance Birch wrote:

/.../ 
> In a scene I made with sPatch, POV-Ray got my swwp-file near 1 Gig!!!
/.../

drool... drool...
I also let myself go once and had POV write almost 80Mb swap on my 300Mb HDD :(

Margus


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From: Daniel Harris
Subject: Re: sPatch -> Povray Export Argghh!
Date: 6 Nov 1998 11:33:46
Message: <3643260A.65F9C58A@netcom.co.uk>
I think it maybe worth my while pointing out to the author of sPatch, (if his
wrote the export program) to get it to produce povray primitives instead of
patches...When exporting to povray...This makes parsing *a lot* faster as I now
know ;-)

Dan.


Dan Connelly wrote:

> Lance Birch wrote:
> >
> > You can expect that from large numbers of patch objects.  In a scene I made
> > with sPatch, POV-Ray got my swwp-file near 1 Gig!!!  The picture can be
> > found on my website by the way, in the POV-Ray gallery...  it's called Rose
> > (It's the weird looking flower surrounded by thorns).
>
> That would be
> http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/parallax/359/pov_rose.jpg
>
> Interesting, I far prefer the following, which is one of my
> favorite POV images ever... very elegant! :
> http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/parallax/359/pov_torus.jpg
>
> How long did this one take to parse ? :)
>
> Dan
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From: Mike
Subject: Re: sPatch -> Povray Export Argghh!
Date: 7 Nov 1998 01:55:08
Message: <3643ED35.E2C77165@aol.com>
When I first read this, I wasn't sure what you meant.  Are you saying that
you made an object in sPatch and then duplicated it many times in POV-Ray?

If that's the case, I would suggest exporting the object(s) as dxf, then
convert those to POV-Ray mesh using 3Dwin or crossroads.  Then make sure the
file #declares the triangles as a mesh and not as a union.

Using a declared mesh won't use large amounts of memory like bicubic
patches, since the triangles only need to be parsed once.

If that isn't the case, I don't think I can help.

-Mike

Daniel Harris wrote:

> Dear PovPeople,
> Just made myself a link object and decided to export it to a povray
> format where I then told it to link to one another in a cube...Having
> settled on a 10^3 structure I set it to render, (10 minutes later it was
> still parsing ;-( ) All in all it had increased my swap to +200Mb
>
> When exporting to povray from sPatch is there anyway to slim the
> code...My scene uses 100% primitive shapes...The only way I thought of
> doing it will be to convert my scene manually with a manually written
> primitive object using Povray's primitives. Will this bring down the
> parse time and save my swap space?
>
> Any help would be most helpful.
>
> Dan.


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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: sPatch -> Povray Export Argghh!
Date: 7 Nov 1998 23:56:49
Message: <36452491.0@news.povray.org>
Very funny Dan :-)  Hmm, from memory, the parsing took about 0.25 of a
second, the rendering with those area lights was another matter though ;-)
(gulp, about 12 hours and with only one frame-level object and one
infinite!)

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Lance.


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: sPatch -> Povray Export Argghh!
Date: 8 Nov 1998 00:11:18
Message: <364527AB.752CD794@pacbell.net>
Lance Birch wrote:

> Very funny Dan :-)  Hmm, from memory, the parsing took about 0.25 of a
> second, the rendering with those area lights was another matter though ;-)
> (gulp, about 12 hours and with only one frame-level object and one
> infinite!)
>
> --
> Lance.
>
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> For the latest MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
> The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone

  That IS a real nice torus image Lance.

Ken Tyler


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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: sPatch -> Povray Export Argghh!
Date: 8 Nov 1998 00:22:50
Message: <36452aaa.0@news.povray.org>
>  That IS a real nice torus image Lance.

Hmmm, are you being sincere Ken, or was that ment to be sarcastic?  :)

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From: Ken
Subject: Re: sPatch -> Povray Export Argghh!
Date: 8 Nov 1998 01:12:31
Message: <36453607.E462F6BF@pacbell.net>
I can truthfully say I much prefer it over a mirrored ball
floating over a checkered plain ;^ }

You give good torus.

Sincerly,

Ken Tyler


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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: sPatch -> Povray Export Argghh!
Date: 9 Nov 1998 02:15:11
Message: <3646967f.0@news.povray.org>
:-)

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Lance.


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From: Thomas Willhalm
Subject: Re: sPatch -> Povray Export Argghh!
Date: 10 Nov 1998 09:45:31
Message: <qqmr9vba9o7.fsf@goldach.fmi.uni-konstanz.de>
Daniel Harris <d.h### [at] netcomcouk> writes:

> I think it maybe worth my while pointing out to the author of sPatch, (if his
> wrote the export program) to get it to produce povray primitives instead of
> patches...When exporting to povray...This makes parsing *a lot* faster as I 
> now know ;-)

sPatch - as its name suggests - is written for generating objects that are
made out of (bicubic) patches. And in my opinion it does a great job in
doing this.

A bicubic patch is also a POV-Ray primitive. However, memory and time 
consumption for rendering is significantly higher if you model a cube by 
six bicubic patches than by the primitive "box". However, bicubic patches 
are a must for modelling organic-like shapes.

Converting bicubic patches to CSG is a non-trivial task and in most cases
impossible. That's why you should use CSG where appropriate and bicubic
patches where needed. Personally, I use hand-written POV-Ray files and
include some objects that were generated by sPatch. As others suggested
you may use other modellers for the CSG part.

Happy tracing

Thomas

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