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"Bryan Garnett-Law" <bjm### [at] wantree comau> wrote:
>Your idea sounds like a good one... mirror web/ftp sites around the world.
>
>;-)
>
>Bryan
>Brian W. Brown wrote in message
><3542B087.B9FD8A37@appstate.campus.mci.net>...
>>Has anyone considered taking a 'distributed' approach? E.g. there are
>>many POV related sites out in internet land...what if the povray.org site
>>only served as a central location for accessing POV pages located
>>thoughout the internet. Those of us with some space and some bandwidth
>>could host a portion of the site...the povray webmasters could have access
>>to various sites to update pages as needed.
This is one approach we can take, but we really don't want to. Apart from
everything else, we still have a disk space problem. Our ISP charges us
US$1.00 per meg per month for everything over 100 megs. We simply can't
have a decent site to mirror with that sort of cost (remember our old
filebase ? 1000mb or so ?). And if we can't have the master files on our own
server, it becomes really hard to administer, especially if we allow uploads.
-- POV-Team
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>Considering the outrageous price tag on commercial art software I would
>happily pay $100 for POV-Ray. Maybe the answer is some kind of reasonably
>priced MEMBERSHIP in a "POV_Ray organization". Membership would maybe
>entitle you to access to the POV-Ray newsgroups, or maybe a newsletter or
>POV magazine. Or it might be advisable <gasp!> to make POV-Ray shareware.
>I'd rather pay for what I'm getting and be able to GET IT than to loose
>access to the resources you're providing.
.... I agree on the entire line, expect in one point.
Pov-Ray should remian free software.
But we can support Pov Web sites throught the "Pov ray organization" you proposed. It
can have an annual fee which includes a Pov Magazine, together with a Web Magazine
either sent to members of the organization.
Another idea is to retrict download of big files from povray.org sites, i.e.: allow
direct download only to registred members, because bandwidht does cost a lot. Other
people can always download Pov and related stuffs for its mirrors.
We now have lots of mirrors spreaded in the world.
And people going always to povray.org
It's possible to redirect request for big files (i.e. >30 Kb) to mirrors which are
often manteined by Internet Service Provider which have interest in maintaining faster
access to sites thourght mirroring.
Or it's possible to directly redirect everyone to the nearest mirror, looking at their
emails (for domains)... it can be done with a smart Cgi script.
These are all solutions that allow us to set down very quickly the need for bandwidht,
redirecting them smartly to other sources of information.
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Matthew Bennett <ben### [at] btinternetcom> wrote in article
<01bd7101$ba99f5c0$a52b63c3@mrbcomp>...
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> Gary Shannon <reb### [at] teleportcom> wrote in article
> <01bd7075$81359960$097a89d0@reboot>...
> > Considering the outrageous price tag on commercial art software I would
> > happily pay $100 for POV-Ray.
<snip>
>
> $100? Shareware? Nnnnooooo!!! Don't let POV go the same way as
everything
> else :/ I'm sure (apart from it being the greatest raytracer around) one
of
> the main reasons it's so popular is because it's freeeeeee! I know a lot
> of hard work goes into POV, and perhaps it seems a bit unfair to expect
> such a great product to be free... but it's managed before.
You are right, of course, and I appologize for even THINKING of making
POVRay shareware in my earlier post.
I think the issue is to keep povray.org alive as a service to POVRay users.
And I agree that POVRay should remain FREEWARE. I'm writing my own
tga->avi/mpeg "movie editor" system, and I plan to put it out as FREEWARE.
I'm writing it because I need it, not to make a profit. That's how POVRay
got started, and that's how it should continue.
But perhaps there are some other services that povray.org could offer that
would be worth paying for. The CD-ROMs for example.
--Gary.
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OK, I've got it!
A whole bunch of POV-Ray users band together to create a block-buster
feature-length movie created entirely in POV-Ray. Then the box office
proceeds and video tape and DVD sales can go to support povray.org. The
only question is, with so many contributors, who gets custody of the 'Best
Picture" Oscar?
Seriously, those "Mind's Eye" CGA tapes sell pretty well. Something like
that could be a fun group project.
--Gary.
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Gary Shannon wrote:
> Maybe the answer is some kind of reasonably
> priced MEMBERSHIP in a "POV_Ray organization". Membership would maybe
> entitle you to access to the POV-Ray newsgroups, or maybe a newsletter or
> POV magazine.
This really looks like the way the HTML writers guild works. They function as
a non-profit educational society and have several levels of free or paying
membership, described at:
http://www.hwg.org/member/levels.html
--
http://www.geocities.com/vienna/7709
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Bryan Garnett-Law (bjm### [at] wantreecomau) wrote:
: Gary Shannon wrote in message <01bd7075$81359960$097a89d0@reboot>...
: >Considering the outrageous price tag on commercial art software I would
: >happily pay $100 for POV-Ray. Maybe the answer is some kind of reasonably
: Totally agree! Would be a pity to lose such terrific program!!
I don't. Pov-team didn't say povray itself is in danger, but the povray.org
site and all those resources. If I understood right, the program itself will
be developed and will be free.
I'm a student, and I really don't have that amount of money. My bank
account is right now 2 marks (about $0.4), ie. I don't even have money for
food until next month (I have some cash, but very little). And this is not
a unusual situation. $100 is a LOT more than I can afford.
I'm really happy that povray is free (and it will still be in the future).
I'm afraid that when povray will cost $100 I will be an ex-povray user :(
Povray.org is really useful, and it would be nice if they solve their
problems. Unfortunately I can't help in any way.
--
- Warp. -
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povray.org admin team (new### [at] povrayorg) wrote:
: We can promise you that it never ever will be shareware. It will always be
: free.
Thanks! I love you.
--
- Warp. -
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And I would be happy to contribute with some CPU power and some ideas if that were to
be done.
Cherio,
Al.
Gary Shannon wrote:
> OK, I've got it!
>
> A whole bunch of POV-Ray users band together to create a block-buster
> feature-length movie created entirely in POV-Ray. Then the box office
> proceeds and video tape and DVD sales can go to support povray.org. The
> only question is, with so many contributors, who gets custody of the 'Best
> Picture" Oscar?
>
> Seriously, those "Mind's Eye" CGA tapes sell pretty well. Something like
> that could be a fun group project.
>
> --Gary.
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Gary,
What a great idea - I am continually amazed by the incredible talent that I
see in fellow POV Ray users - I think it could be done! Seriously!
Brian
Gary Shannon wrote:
> OK, I've got it!
>
> A whole bunch of POV-Ray users band together to create a block-buster
> feature-length movie created entirely in POV-Ray. Then the box office
> proceeds and video tape and DVD sales can go to support povray.org. The
> only question is, with so many contributors, who gets custody of the 'Best
> Picture" Oscar?
>
> Seriously, those "Mind's Eye" CGA tapes sell pretty well. Something like
> that could be a fun group project.
>
> --Gary.
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"Gary Shannon" <reb### [at] teleportcom> wrote:
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> Seriously, those "Mind's Eye" CGA tapes sell pretty well. Something like
> that could be a fun group project.
It sounds like a *lot* of fun.
--
Jeff Lee shi### [at] gatenet http://www.gate.net/~shipbrk/
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