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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 21 May 2017 17:14:12
Message: <59220324$1@news.povray.org>
On 5/21/2017 9:56 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 21.05.2017 um 17:09 schrieb Kenneth:
>
>> A small nit-pick: The ends of the white vertical 'light-sabre' detract from its
>> look-- it appears to be a store-bought fluorescent light tube ;-P  The ends are
>> black(?). Maybe a different color, or a different design there, would look
>> better. In my humble opinion.
>
> My interpretation is that this IS some flourescent-light-tube-ish thing.
> Some ceremonial gizmo, rather than effective weaponry.
>

Yes, it is an ancient artefact, revered for generations.

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     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 22 May 2017 02:49:19
Message: <592289ef$1@news.povray.org>
On 21-5-2017 23:14, Stephen wrote:
> On 5/21/2017 9:56 PM, clipka wrote:
>> Am 21.05.2017 um 17:09 schrieb Kenneth:
>>
>>> A small nit-pick: The ends of the white vertical 'light-sabre'
>>> detract from its
>>> look-- it appears to be a store-bought fluorescent light tube ;-P
>>> The ends are
>>> black(?). Maybe a different color, or a different design there, would
>>> look
>>> better. In my humble opinion.
>>
>> My interpretation is that this IS some flourescent-light-tube-ish thing.
>> Some ceremonial gizmo, rather than effective weaponry.
>>
>
> Yes, it is an ancient artefact, revered for generations.
>

However.... I suspect that in the nick of time, not being able to find 
the artefact, he took the light-tube from his kitchen...

[did it again. slap! slap!]

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Thomas


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From: Simon J  Cambridge
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 22 May 2017 07:25:01
Message: <web.5922c7c3fb337a114ab1e0880@news.povray.org>
"Kenneth" <kdw### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> I really like that spaceship design. And the vibrant colors of the two soldiers
> are really nice, and a good color contrast.
>
> I would suggest bringing the background line of soldiers somewhat closer to
> camera; I actually didn't notice what they were until I looked at the image
> several times.
>
> My opinion about the amount (and the color) of the background haze is that it's
> excellent-- it clearly defines the two main characters, who are the real focus
> of the image.
>
> A small nit-pick: The ends of the white vertical 'light-sabre' detract from its
> look-- it appears to be a store-bought fluorescent light tube ;-P  The ends are
> black(?). Maybe a different color, or a different design there, would look
> better. In my humble opinion.

Hi Kenneth,

Thanks. It took a while to get it where it is, and given everybodies comments I
don't think I am going to mess with it over much. When ever I do I end up hating
the results and going back to the original.

The ships took a lot of thinking about. I settled on fish! You can't go wrong
with fish!

And since the 'flourescent tube' is causing so much discussion, perhaps I had
better explain...

What I am trying to model here is a long crystal stave with a core of energy. I
have never been able to get it quite to my satisfaction. The stave itself is a
crystal material with ior of 3 (approximating diamond). There is a white core
with a finish emission of 1. Really hard to get right, it seems.

In my books, this artefact is actually quite a devasting weapon. The energy at
the centre could be considered to be produced by something akin to an event
horizon, where everything has been squeezed, or folded, down to infinity.
Essentially, this energy, when called up, takes matter back to its base state,
rather like the conditions at the beginning of creation. I have tied its
explanation and description fairly heavily to hermetic principles, ie, as
pertaining to the four elements: earth, air, fire and water. So earth can be
made to run like water, air can be made to burn like fire, water can be made to
solidify like earth, etc, etc. You need to read the books, whilst I need to find
out how better to get it to render!

And just to think, more likely than not, you have one of these hanging in your
kitchen!

Cheers,

Simon.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 22 May 2017 07:47:26
Message: <5922cfce$1@news.povray.org>
On 5/22/2017 12:20 PM, Simon J. Cambridge wrote:
> Thanks. It took a while to get it where it is, and given everybodies comments I
> don't think I am going to mess with it over much. When ever I do I end up hating
> the results and going back to the original.
>

You are right there. :)
Personally I would leave it s it is and be happy. :)

> The ships took a lot of thinking about. I settled on fish! You can't go wrong
> with fish!
>

Thanks for all the... ;)

> And since the 'flourescent tube' is causing so much discussion, perhaps I had
> better explain...
>

I would try changing the end caps. Maybe a gold texture would make it 
less like a fluorescent tube. Or something ornamental like a short wire 
mesh.

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     Stephen


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From: Kenneth
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 22 May 2017 15:35:01
Message: <web.59233c19fb337a11883fb31c0@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:

>
> I would try changing the end caps. Maybe a gold texture would make it
> less like a fluorescent tube. Or something ornamental like a short wire
> mesh.
>
Or maybe half a torus at both ends, both vertical, with one flipped in the
opposite direction. Like a long 'S' shape.

The possibilities are endless!  (That's the most difficult part of designing
anything-- actually *choosing* only one of countless ideas.) ;-)

By the way, Art Deco (and 'Moderne') are my favorite 'design philosophies' as
well. Perhaps with a little bit of 'Steampunk' thrown in. (Disney's design for
the Nautilus submarine in 20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA is a constant
inspiration, as are the sleek, ominous Martian saucers in George Pal's 1950's
version of WAR OF THE WORLDS.)


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From: Simon J  Cambridge
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 23 May 2017 07:30:01
Message: <web.59241bfdfb337a1112a85d80@news.povray.org>
"Kenneth" <kdw### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>
> >
> > I would try changing the end caps. Maybe a gold texture would make it
> > less like a fluorescent tube. Or something ornamental like a short wire
> > mesh.
> >
> Or maybe half a torus at both ends, both vertical, with one flipped in the
> opposite direction. Like a long 'S' shape.
>
> The possibilities are endless!  (That's the most difficult part of designing
> anything-- actually *choosing* only one of countless ideas.) ;-)
>
> By the way, Art Deco (and 'Moderne') are my favorite 'design philosophies' as
> well. Perhaps with a little bit of 'Steampunk' thrown in. (Disney's design for
> the Nautilus submarine in 20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA is a constant
> inspiration, as are the sleek, ominous Martian saucers in George Pal's 1950's
> version of WAR OF THE WORLDS.)

Unfortunately putting end caps on isn't an option. In the books these crystals
are the result of a single forging. Besides, any substance other then that of
the crystal would be subject to the forces that are summoned when the crystal is
used (as in fused, vapourized, disintegrated, obliterated, eviscerated, etc,
etc). Having written the books, I should, more than anyone else, adhere to the
rules I have already laid down.

I have reworked the mesh for the stave and its core, and that has improved
matters somewhat. See uploaded image. (I am still not entirely satisfied,
though.)

I loved that design for the Nautilus. When I was little I wanted an airfix
model! I also wanted an airfix model of the martian saucers, though I imagine
not much assembly would be required. No fiddly bits! I also love the design of
the Chrysler building and the Columbine inspired scroll work that occasionally
pops up from time to time. I have borrowed a lot from art deco, and gothic. I
also love gothic.

Cheers,

Simon.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 23 May 2017 15:33:46
Message: <59248e9a@news.povray.org>
On 5/23/2017 12:24 PM, Simon J. Cambridge wrote:
> "Kenneth" <kdw### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I would try changing the end caps. Maybe a gold texture would make it
>>> less like a fluorescent tube. Or something ornamental like a short wire
>>> mesh.
>>>
>> Or maybe half a torus at both ends, both vertical, with one flipped in the
>> opposite direction. Like a long 'S' shape.
>>
>> The possibilities are endless!  (That's the most difficult part of designing
>> anything-- actually *choosing* only one of countless ideas.) ;-)
>>
>> By the way, Art Deco (and 'Moderne') are my favorite 'design philosophies' as
>> well. Perhaps with a little bit of 'Steampunk' thrown in. (Disney's design for
>> the Nautilus submarine in 20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA is a constant
>> inspiration, as are the sleek, ominous Martian saucers in George Pal's 1950's
>> version of WAR OF THE WORLDS.)
>
> Unfortunately putting end caps on isn't an option. In the books these crystals
> are the result of a single forging. Besides, any substance other then that of
> the crystal would be subject to the forces that are summoned when the crystal is
> used (as in fused, vapourized, disintegrated, obliterated, eviscerated, etc,
> etc). Having written the books, I should, more than anyone else, adhere to the
> rules I have already laid down.
>

That is fair enough but I would have left a "get out" clause. ;)

> I have reworked the mesh for the stave and its core, and that has improved
> matters somewhat. See uploaded image. (I am still not entirely satisfied,
> though.)
>

Yes it has. It gives a bit more detail. :)

> I loved that design for the Nautilus. When I was little I wanted an airfix
> model!

Me too. That's why I built a PovRay one. <smug emoji>

I also wanted an airfix model of the martian saucers, though I imagine
> not much assembly would be required. No fiddly bits! I also love the design of
> the Chrysler building and the Columbine inspired scroll work that occasionally
> pops up from time to time. I have borrowed a lot from art deco, and gothic. I
> also love gothic.
>

Baroque! You forgot to mention Baroque. :)
Okay I know that it and Rococo are diagonally opposed but therein lies 
the similarity.
[Drat I forgot to take my dried frog pills.]

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Simon J  Cambridge
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 24 May 2017 11:20:00
Message: <web.5925a427fb337a117ae989a40@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> On 5/23/2017 12:24 PM, Simon J. Cambridge wrote:
> > "Kenneth" <kdw### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> >> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I would try changing the end caps. Maybe a gold texture would make it
> >>> less like a fluorescent tube. Or something ornamental like a short wire
> >>> mesh.
> >>>
> >> Or maybe half a torus at both ends, both vertical, with one flipped in the
> >> opposite direction. Like a long 'S' shape.
> >>
> >> The possibilities are endless!  (That's the most difficult part of designing
> >> anything-- actually *choosing* only one of countless ideas.) ;-)
> >>
> >> By the way, Art Deco (and 'Moderne') are my favorite 'design philosophies' as
> >> well. Perhaps with a little bit of 'Steampunk' thrown in. (Disney's design for
> >> the Nautilus submarine in 20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA is a constant
> >> inspiration, as are the sleek, ominous Martian saucers in George Pal's 1950's
> >> version of WAR OF THE WORLDS.)
> >
> > Unfortunately putting end caps on isn't an option. In the books these crystals
> > are the result of a single forging. Besides, any substance other then that of
> > the crystal would be subject to the forces that are summoned when the crystal is
> > used (as in fused, vapourized, disintegrated, obliterated, eviscerated, etc,
> > etc). Having written the books, I should, more than anyone else, adhere to the
> > rules I have already laid down.
> >
>
> That is fair enough but I would have left a "get out" clause. ;)
>
> > I have reworked the mesh for the stave and its core, and that has improved
> > matters somewhat. See uploaded image. (I am still not entirely satisfied,
> > though.)
> >
>
> Yes it has. It gives a bit more detail. :)
>
> > I loved that design for the Nautilus. When I was little I wanted an airfix
> > model!
>
> Me too. That's why I built a PovRay one. <smug emoji>
>
> I also wanted an airfix model of the martian saucers, though I imagine
> > not much assembly would be required. No fiddly bits! I also love the design of
> > the Chrysler building and the Columbine inspired scroll work that occasionally
> > pops up from time to time. I have borrowed a lot from art deco, and gothic. I
> > also love gothic.
> >
>
> Baroque! You forgot to mention Baroque. :)
> Okay I know that it and Rococo are diagonally opposed but therein lies
> the similarity.
> [Drat I forgot to take my dried frog pills.]
>
> --
>
> Regards
>      Stephen

I like Baroque, but not Rococo. Rococo is so over the top it goes back around
again for seconds!

And I have to ask. Are you a Bursar?

Cheers,

Simon.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 24 May 2017 12:28:59
Message: <5925b4cb$1@news.povray.org>
On 5/24/2017 4:17 PM, Simon J. Cambridge wrote:
> I like Baroque, but not Rococo. Rococo is so over the top it goes back around
> again for seconds!
>

And then asks for more. :-)


> And I have to ask. Are you a Bursar?

Golly gosh! I have never been asked that before.
What makes you ask that?
I have not been involved in academia for more years than I care to 
remember. I would say that I am more a horny handed son of toil. But for 
the fact that I am lazy, a skiver and my hands are now soft.


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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: The Reds Are Coming...
Date: 24 May 2017 13:49:44
Message: <5925c7b8$1@news.povray.org>
On 5/24/2017 5:28 PM, Stephen wrote:
>
>> And I have to ask. Are you a Bursar?


I forgot. I dropped out of the Unseen University (UU failed) :)

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     Stephen


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