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On 7/28/2016 2:33 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 28-7-2016 12:30, Stephen wrote:
>> On 7/28/2016 9:46 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> This one is for Stephen.
>>>
>>> "to wound the autumnal city."
>>>
>>
>> So howled out for the world to give him a name.
>>
>>> Cityscape macros by Mike Williams.
>>>
>>
>> Atmospheric. I like it. Thank you.
>>
>> (Maybe a bloodier sky with a bloated sun?)
>>
>
> I intend to work some more on this piece.
>
>
Good.
It made me think of doing an image of the kid as a scorpion.
A couple of years ago I made a start on the dress Lanya wore to the big
party.
[Un-sensuous nudity warning]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvZfbKGbUDs
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Regards
Stephen
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On 28-7-2016 16:08, Stephen wrote:
> On 7/28/2016 2:33 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 28-7-2016 12:30, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 7/28/2016 9:46 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> This one is for Stephen.
>>>>
>>>> "to wound the autumnal city."
>>>>
>>>
>>> So howled out for the world to give him a name.
>>>
>>>> Cityscape macros by Mike Williams.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Atmospheric. I like it. Thank you.
>>>
>>> (Maybe a bloodier sky with a bloated sun?)
>>>
>>
>> I intend to work some more on this piece.
>>
>>
>
> Good.
> It made me think of doing an image of the kid as a scorpion.
That would be interesting to do. I have pondered the complex chain
pattern worn by him but that seems far too complicated to model
dynamically in Poser and iirc he wore it under his clothes anyway.
Incidentally, I saw on the web somebody who tattooed the pattern on her
body (why not indeed?). Still, the kid is also on my (long) wish list.
Lets see where that brings us. We always can combine elements into a
grand Delany scene. :-)
>
> A couple of years ago I made a start on the dress Lanya wore to the big
> party.
> [Un-sensuous nudity warning]
>
Ah yes, I remember that one. I suppose the dress needed a couple more
subdivisions to move correctly ;-)
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On 7/29/2016 7:58 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 28-7-2016 16:08, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Good.
>> It made me think of doing an image of the kid as a scorpion.
>
> That would be interesting to do. I have pondered the complex chain
> pattern worn by him but that seems far too complicated to model
> dynamically in Poser and iirc he wore it under his clothes anyway.
> Incidentally, I saw on the web somebody who tattooed the pattern on her
> body (why not indeed?). Still, the kid is also on my (long) wish list.
>
Yes, the kid is more your kind of image than mine.
I am more interested in the Projector and trying to get a person inside
an illuminated Scorpion. That will probably something that is better in
the mind than in the flesh.
I've found a free scorpion mesh but it is not articulated. I should be
able to pose it in Blender.
> Lets see where that brings us. We always can combine elements into a
> grand Delany scene. :-)
>
Let's do that. I can't promise I'll get an effect that will be acceptable.
The optical chains remind me of the hippy beads I wore in the early
seventies. The beads were strung together in a chain with brass wire and
itched like hell. :)
All you would need is a loop showing at a cuff or a chest. But I am
getting ahead of myself. :)
>>
>> A couple of years ago I made a start on the dress Lanya wore to the big
>> party.
>> [Un-sensuous nudity warning]
>>
>
> Ah yes, I remember that one. I suppose the dress needed a couple more
> subdivisions to move correctly ;-)
>
>
It was only a proof of concept. It would need a bit more work it it were
to be useful.
It was the first time I had used Poser's Walk Designer as well. And it
shows.
I must say that book made an impression on me. I read it in the late
70's and I remember a lot.
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Stephen
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On 29-7-2016 11:09, Stephen wrote:
> On 7/29/2016 7:58 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 28-7-2016 16:08, Stephen wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good.
>>> It made me think of doing an image of the kid as a scorpion.
>>
>> That would be interesting to do. I have pondered the complex chain
>> pattern worn by him but that seems far too complicated to model
>> dynamically in Poser and iirc he wore it under his clothes anyway.
>> Incidentally, I saw on the web somebody who tattooed the pattern on her
>> body (why not indeed?). Still, the kid is also on my (long) wish list.
>>
>
> Yes, the kid is more your kind of image than mine.
> I am more interested in the Projector and trying to get a person inside
> an illuminated Scorpion. That will probably something that is better in
> the mind than in the flesh.
It is a thought. I need to read the book again to get the mood again; it
has been a while since last time.
> I've found a free scorpion mesh but it is not articulated. I should be
> able to pose it in Blender.
That should be possible indeed.
>
>
>> Lets see where that brings us. We always can combine elements into a
>> grand Delany scene. :-)
>>
>
> Let's do that. I can't promise I'll get an effect that will be acceptable.
> The optical chains remind me of the hippy beads I wore in the early
> seventies. The beads were strung together in a chain with brass wire and
> itched like hell. :)
It must be something like that indeed.
> All you would need is a loop showing at a cuff or a chest. But I am
> getting ahead of myself. :)
Yes. That would be enough and not too difficult. The kid himself should
be rather straightforward as Poser modelling goes.
>
>>>
>>> A couple of years ago I made a start on the dress Lanya wore to the big
>>> party.
>>> [Un-sensuous nudity warning]
>>>
>>
>> Ah yes, I remember that one. I suppose the dress needed a couple more
>> subdivisions to move correctly ;-)
>>
>>
> It was only a proof of concept. It would need a bit more work it it were
> to be useful.
> It was the first time I had used Poser's Walk Designer as well. And it
> shows.
>
> I must say that book made an impression on me. I read it in the late
> 70's and I remember a lot.
>
Oh yes indeed; disturbing and fascinating at the same time. It has not
lost its attraction either. It was a new way of writing SF at the time
although I don't think it was really part of the 'New Wave' as promoted
by Harlan Ellison at the time, although certainly close in concept.
--
Thomas
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On 7/29/2016 12:48 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 29-7-2016 11:09, Stephen wrote:
>> On 7/29/2016 7:58 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 28-7-2016 16:08, Stephen wrote:
>
> It is a thought. I need to read the book again to get the mood again; it
> has been a while since last time.
>
My paperback is in storage. I have a epub version but it is not the same
as a hardcopy. Especially when the writing gets disjointed and tells
bits of its own story.
>> I've found a free scorpion mesh but it is not articulated. I should be
>> able to pose it in Blender.
>
> That should be possible indeed.
>
We will see...
>>
>
>> All you would need is a loop showing at a cuff or a chest. But I am
>> getting ahead of myself. :)
>
> Yes. That would be enough and not too difficult. The kid himself should
> be rather straightforward as Poser modelling goes.
>
Thinking about it. Unless you are doing a closeup they won't be visible.
Hang! the chains. ;)
>>
>> I must say that book made an impression on me. I read it in the late
>> 70's and I remember a lot.
>>
>
> Oh yes indeed; disturbing and fascinating at the same time. It has not
> lost its attraction either. It was a new way of writing SF at the time
> although I don't think it was really part of the 'New Wave' as promoted
> by Harlan Ellison at the time, although certainly close in concept.
>
I think that there was new wave and New Wave. One was used to sell books.
Cynical. Moi? :)
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 30-7-2016 12:22, Stephen wrote:
> On 7/29/2016 12:48 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 29-7-2016 11:09, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 7/29/2016 7:58 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> On 28-7-2016 16:08, Stephen wrote:
>
>>
>> It is a thought. I need to read the book again to get the mood again; it
>> has been a while since last time.
>>
>
> My paperback is in storage. I have a epub version but it is not the same
> as a hardcopy. Especially when the writing gets disjointed and tells
> bits of its own story.
Yes, there is that. I cannot concentrate on digital. I need the touch,
smell and history of the hardcopy. And I need books around me in the house.
>
>>> I've found a free scorpion mesh but it is not articulated. I should be
>>> able to pose it in Blender.
>>
>> That should be possible indeed.
>>
>
> We will see...
>
>>>
>>
>>> All you would need is a loop showing at a cuff or a chest. But I am
>>> getting ahead of myself. :)
>>
>> Yes. That would be enough and not too difficult. The kid himself should
>> be rather straightforward as Poser modelling goes.
>>
>
> Thinking about it. Unless you are doing a closeup they won't be visible.
> Hang! the chains. ;)
Indeed. No matter; the orchid will make a nice addition though.
>
>>>
>>> I must say that book made an impression on me. I read it in the late
>>> 70's and I remember a lot.
>>>
>>
>> Oh yes indeed; disturbing and fascinating at the same time. It has not
>> lost its attraction either. It was a new way of writing SF at the time
>> although I don't think it was really part of the 'New Wave' as promoted
>> by Harlan Ellison at the time, although certainly close in concept.
>>
>
> I think that there was new wave and New Wave. One was used to sell books.
> Cynical. Moi? :)
>
Oh, you are absolutely right to be cynical! The percentage of trash did
not change at all before or after ;-)
--
Thomas
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On 7/30/2016 12:11 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 30-7-2016 12:22, Stephen wrote:
>> On 7/29/2016 12:48 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 29-7-2016 11:09, Stephen wrote:
>>>> On 7/29/2016 7:58 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>> On 28-7-2016 16:08, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It is a thought. I need to read the book again to get the mood again; it
>>> has been a while since last time.
>>>
>>
>> My paperback is in storage. I have a epub version but it is not the same
>> as a hardcopy. Especially when the writing gets disjointed and tells
>> bits of its own story.
>
> Yes, there is that. I cannot concentrate on digital. I need the touch,
> smell and history of the hardcopy. And I need books around me in the house.
>
On the other hand. These old tomes are heavy and bulky. But for some
books you need the smell of foxing. :)
>>
>>>> I've found a free scorpion mesh but it is not articulated. I should be
>>>> able to pose it in Blender.
>>>
>>> That should be possible indeed.
>>>
>>
>> We will see...
>>
I don't think the scorpion will work. It would either look stupid
standing on its hind legs or be six feet high and twenty feet long.
I have a dragon with gossamer wings. That should be a challenge.
>>
>> Thinking about it. Unless you are doing a closeup they won't be visible.
>> Hang! the chains. ;)
>
> Indeed. No matter; the orchid will make a nice addition though.
>
That is one of the most stupid weapons imagined. Zelazny would have done
better.
>>
>> I think that there was new wave and New Wave. One was used to sell books.
>> Cynical. Moi? :)
>>
> Oh, you are absolutely right to be cynical! The percentage of trash did
> not change at all before or after ;-)
>
No but it did raise the standard overall. It seems to have dropped back
a bit now. </ Good old days rant>
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 30-7-2016 14:31, Stephen wrote:
> On 7/30/2016 12:11 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 30-7-2016 12:22, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 7/29/2016 12:48 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> On 29-7-2016 11:09, Stephen wrote:
>>>>> On 7/29/2016 7:58 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>>> On 28-7-2016 16:08, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is a thought. I need to read the book again to get the mood
>>>> again; it
>>>> has been a while since last time.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My paperback is in storage. I have a epub version but it is not the same
>>> as a hardcopy. Especially when the writing gets disjointed and tells
>>> bits of its own story.
>>
>> Yes, there is that. I cannot concentrate on digital. I need the touch,
>> smell and history of the hardcopy. And I need books around me in the
>> house.
>>
>
> On the other hand. These old tomes are heavy and bulky. But for some
> books you need the smell of foxing. :)
Who cares, I like the struggling with those old volumes fighting back by
breaking at the spine, refusing to open correctly, showing printing
errors... and I do /not/ mistreat them at all. ;-) Fortunately, my wife
has some book binding skills so the damage can be repaired when necessary.
>
>>>
>>>>> I've found a free scorpion mesh but it is not articulated. I should be
>>>>> able to pose it in Blender.
>>>>
>>>> That should be possible indeed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We will see...
>>>
>
>
> I don't think the scorpion will work. It would either look stupid
> standing on its hind legs or be six feet high and twenty feet long.
> I have a dragon with gossamer wings. That should be a challenge.
Dragon Lady then. I wonder how the scorpion in the book would show.
>
>
>>>
>>> Thinking about it. Unless you are doing a closeup they won't be visible.
>>> Hang! the chains. ;)
>>
>> Indeed. No matter; the orchid will make a nice addition though.
>>
>
> That is one of the most stupid weapons imagined. Zelazny would have done
> better.
Ha! Yes indeed! It is the most awkward thing imaginable and pretty
useless if you ask me except for keeping in the way when not called for.
>
>
>>>
>>> I think that there was new wave and New Wave. One was used to sell
>>> books.
>>> Cynical. Moi? :)
>>>
>> Oh, you are absolutely right to be cynical! The percentage of trash did
>> not change at all before or after ;-)
>>
>
> No but it did raise the standard overall. It seems to have dropped back
> a bit now. </ Good old days rant>
>
That is true. I am a bit out of touch with the post-2000 vintage though.
--
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On 7/31/2016 7:52 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 30-7-2016 14:31, Stephen wrote:
>>
>> On the other hand. These old tomes are heavy and bulky. But for some
>> books you need the smell of foxing. :)
>
> Who cares, I like the struggling with those old volumes fighting back by
> breaking at the spine, refusing to open correctly, showing printing
> errors... and I do /not/ mistreat them at all. ;-) Fortunately, my wife
> has some book binding skills so the damage can be repaired when necessary.
>
Fortune, indeed.
I, on the other hand, have gone to the dark side. :)
>> I don't think the scorpion will work. It would either look stupid
>> standing on its hind legs or be six feet high and twenty feet long.
>> I have a dragon with gossamer wings. That should be a challenge.
>
> Dragon Lady then. I wonder how the scorpion in the book would show.
>
Now I will need to read the book. :)
I am trying to df3-ise a dragon model but I am running into problems
with the textures in the model. If any of my experiments look
interesting I will post the results.
>>
>> That is one of the most stupid weapons imagined. Zelazny would have done
>> better.
>
> Ha! Yes indeed! It is the most awkward thing imaginable and pretty
> useless if you ask me except for keeping in the way when not called for.
>
You would need reinforced pockets that's for sure.
>> No but it did raise the standard overall. It seems to have dropped back
>> a bit now. </ Good old days rant>
>>
>
> That is true. I am a bit out of touch with the post-2000 vintage though.
>
Me too.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 1-8-2016 9:06, Stephen wrote:
> On 7/31/2016 7:52 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 30-7-2016 14:31, Stephen wrote:
>
>>>
>>> On the other hand. These old tomes are heavy and bulky. But for some
>>> books you need the smell of foxing. :)
>>
>> Who cares, I like the struggling with those old volumes fighting back by
>> breaking at the spine, refusing to open correctly, showing printing
>> errors... and I do /not/ mistreat them at all. ;-) Fortunately, my wife
>> has some book binding skills so the damage can be repaired when
>> necessary.
>>
>
> Fortune, indeed.
>
> I, on the other hand, have gone to the dark side. :)
>
tsk tsk...
>
>>> I don't think the scorpion will work. It would either look stupid
>>> standing on its hind legs or be six feet high and twenty feet long.
>>> I have a dragon with gossamer wings. That should be a challenge.
>>
>> Dragon Lady then. I wonder how the scorpion in the book would show.
>>
>
> Now I will need to read the book. :)
> I am trying to df3-ise a dragon model but I am running into problems
> with the textures in the model. If any of my experiments look
> interesting I will post the results.
>
OK. I am working now on the river and bridge of Bellona. I am going to
diverge from the book description somewhat but it is the mood that is
important. I also would like to include the tree/woman from the ritual
initiation scene (that is how I interpret it somehow).
>
>
>>>
>>> That is one of the most stupid weapons imagined. Zelazny would have done
>>> better.
>>
>> Ha! Yes indeed! It is the most awkward thing imaginable and pretty
>> useless if you ask me except for keeping in the way when not called for.
>>
>
> You would need reinforced pockets that's for sure.
>
Not by chance that the kid keeps it dangling from his belt ;-) (pretty
dangerous too)
>
>>> No but it did raise the standard overall. It seems to have dropped back
>>> a bit now. </ Good old days rant>
>>>
>>
>> That is true. I am a bit out of touch with the post-2000 vintage though.
>>
>
> Me too.
>
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