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From: Bryan Valencia
Subject: Re: The Last Man On Earth (I give up)
Date: 28 Jul 2008 00:19:40
Message: <488d48dc$1@news.povray.org>
I give up.

No matter what I try (and I have wasted about 16 hours on it) the atmosphere effect I
want is always gone well before I 
can see any sky.  Geez, this is just too f'ing hard.


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From: alphaQuad
Subject: Re: The Last Man On Earth
Date: 28 Jul 2008 16:20:01
Message: <web.488e29a9c102e2e8dc0a30e20@news.povray.org>
Alain <ele### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> Bryan Valencia nous illumina en ce 2008-07-23 17:30 -->
> > First W.I.P.
> >
> > I wish there was a way to make the atmosphere thin enough to still see
> > the colors of the sky sphere.
> With various patterns, you can make thick enough near the ground but thin enough
> so that you can still see the sky.
> Try the planar pattern. It evaluate as 1 on the x-z plane and drop linearly to
> zero one unit up and down. You just need to scale it apropiately. You can also
> use some of the wave forms variations to change the rate ov change.
> scalop_wave will stay high near the ground and drop sharply near the top for
> example.
>
> --
> Alain
> -------------------------------------------------
> Agnostic: What is this shit?

The Agnostic is not living a significant life. Such was only meant to be known
on a personal level. Whats worse is, if you had a reason to know but forgot.


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From: m a r c
Subject: Re: The Last Man On Earth
Date: 29 Jul 2008 13:51:36
Message: <488f58a8@news.povray.org>

web.488e29a9c102e2e8dc0a30e20@news.povray.org...
> The Agnostic is not living a significant life.

please define "significant life"

Marc


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: The Last Man On Earth
Date: 29 Jul 2008 16:18:55
Message: <488f7b2f@news.povray.org>
alphaQuad nous illumina en ce 2008-07-28 16:18 -->

>> -------------------------------------------------
>> Agnostic: What is this shit?
> 
> The Agnostic is not living a significant life. Such was only meant to be known
> on a personal level. Whats worse is, if you had a reason to know but forgot.
> 
An agnostic don't beleive in a God. It don't mean that he don't beleive in some 
Greater Power. An agnostic will NEVER say that there is no God, like an atheist 
does...

-- 
Alain
-------------------------------------------------
You know you've been raytracing too long when you call in sick in order to render.
David Kraics


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: The Last Man On Earth
Date: 29 Jul 2008 16:43:31
Message: <488f80f3$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:18:49 -0400, alphaQuad wrote:

> The Agnostic is not living a significant life.

Bull.

The agnostic is just saying "I don't know if there is a god or not".

But who are you to judge?  Does not the bible state "judge not, lest ye 
be judged"?

Jim


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From: Christian Froeschlin
Subject: Re: The Last Man On Earth
Date: 29 Jul 2008 19:45:44
Message: <488faba8$1@news.povray.org>
alphaQuad wrote:

> Whats worse is, if you had a reason to know but forgot.

Like: you really *knew* there was no god while
trying to compile pov with mingw on win98se ;)


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From: Bryan Valencia
Subject: Re: The Last Man On Earth
Date: 30 Jul 2008 00:53:58
Message: <488ff3e6@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:18:49 -0400, alphaQuad wrote:
> 
>> The Agnostic is not living a significant life.
> 
> Bull.
> 
> The agnostic is just saying "I don't know if there is a god or not".
> 
> But who are you to judge?  Does not the bible state "judge not, lest ye 
> be judged"?
> 
> Jim

<soapbox>
Apologies for being so off-topic, but Matthew 7 is being abused here. You should not
quote Jesus Christ out of context 
like this.  Read the passage in the context of the teaching.  I know non-Christians
like to whip this verse out whenever 
they want to do something immoral - just to shut the Christians up, but Matthew 7 just
can't be intelligently 
interpreted to mean that.

The verse doesn't advise use to tell each other not to "judge" us, it's an admonition
against feeling like we're "good" 
by comparing ourselves to someone else.  The verse is about holding ourselves to God's
standard for us, it's not for 
unbelievers to stop all criticism from believers.
</soapbox>


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From: Bryan Valencia
Subject: Re: The Last Man On Earth (I give up)
Date: 30 Jul 2008 00:57:07
Message: <488ff4a3$1@news.povray.org>
Bryan Valencia wrote:
> I give up.
> 
> No matter what I try (and I have wasted about 16 hours on it) the 
> atmosphere effect I want is always gone well before I can see any sky.  
> Geez, this is just too f'ing hard.


Perhaps what I want is unrealistic, but it does exist in reality.

I want there to be blue sky, a slight amount of atmosphere, so I can see the giant
triangular volumetric shadows of the 
buildings in the air.  I used to marvel at the sight of that when I worked in San
Fransisco.

Oh, and another criteria is that I want it to render before my grandkids die of old
age.

:)


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: The Last Man On Earth
Date: 30 Jul 2008 16:26:51
Message: <4890ce8b@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:53:54 -0700, Bryan Valencia wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:18:49 -0400, alphaQuad wrote:
>> 
>>> The Agnostic is not living a significant life.
>> 
>> Bull.
>> 
>> The agnostic is just saying "I don't know if there is a god or not".
>> 
>> But who are you to judge?  Does not the bible state "judge not, lest ye
>> be judged"?
>> 
>> Jim
> 
> <soapbox>
> Apologies for being so off-topic, but Matthew 7 is being abused here.
> You should not quote Jesus Christ out of context like this.  Read the
> passage in the context of the teaching.  I know non-Christians like to
> whip this verse out whenever they want to do something immoral - just to
> shut the Christians up, but Matthew 7 just can't be intelligently
> interpreted to mean that.
> 
> The verse doesn't advise use to tell each other not to "judge" us, it's
> an admonition against feeling like we're "good" by comparing ourselves
> to someone else.  The verse is about holding ourselves to God's standard
> for us, it's not for unbelievers to stop all criticism from believers.
> </soapbox>

Of course, if I were to whip out my soapbox, I'd say something about it 
only being reasonable to quote things out of context when it's to 
*support* a Christian point of view; I've seen it *many* times over the 
years.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Jim


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From: john
Subject: Re: The Last Man On Earth
Date: 2 Aug 2008 04:34:37
Message: <ur6894hpgbttl3pg3q9l6cpa3l0hn641mh@4ax.com>
On 30 Jul 2008 16:26:51 -0400, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom>
wrote:

>On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:53:54 -0700, Bryan Valencia wrote:
>
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:18:49 -0400, alphaQuad wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The Agnostic is not living a significant life.
>>> 
>>> Bull.
>>> 
>>> The agnostic is just saying "I don't know if there is a god or not".
>>> 
>>> But who are you to judge?  Does not the bible state "judge not, lest ye
>>> be judged"?
>>> 
>>> Jim
>> 
>> <soapbox>
>> Apologies for being so off-topic, but Matthew 7 is being abused here.
>> You should not quote Jesus Christ out of context like this.  Read the
>> passage in the context of the teaching.  I know non-Christians like to
>> whip this verse out whenever they want to do something immoral - just to
>> shut the Christians up, but Matthew 7 just can't be intelligently
>> interpreted to mean that.
>> 
>> The verse doesn't advise use to tell each other not to "judge" us, it's
>> an admonition against feeling like we're "good" by comparing ourselves
>> to someone else.  The verse is about holding ourselves to God's standard
>> for us, it's not for unbelievers to stop all criticism from believers.
>> </soapbox>
>
>Of course, if I were to whip out my soapbox, I'd say something about it 
>only being reasonable to quote things out of context when it's to 
>*support* a Christian point of view; I've seen it *many* times over the 
>years.
>
>What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
>
>Jim

The problem with this is that you will never convince someone who
belives in mythology.  You might just as well have tried to convince
an acient Greek, Roman or Viking that they were wrong. They all had
writings of some sort to "prove" that they were right


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