ABX <abx### [at] abxartpl> wrote:
> There is plenty of Windows installs in companies with disabled feature of
> installing anything different than OS delivered (which include pure
> old-fashioned MPG playing). IMO posting DIVX vs. MPG is the same kind of
> courtesy like posting HTML vs. plain text emails.
>


ABX's note match my experience.  Furthermore, I once was lurking about some
forums for the 10secondclub.org.  There was a guy who was an actual
professional animator complaining about how he couldn't see someone's demo
reel because it was on some bleeding edge video format.   The guy
apparently only had spare time to browse other folks' animation work during
coffee breaks on a machine actually used to render movies, and he was
asking folks for an MPG-1.

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ABX <abx### [at] abxartpl> wrote:
> IMO posting DIVX vs. MPG is the same kind of
> courtesy like posting HTML vs. plain text emails.

  That comparison is flawed.

  An HTML email is bigger than a plain text email, which is one reason
why it is bad.
  However, a DivX is *smaller* than an MPG of the same quality, which
often is a valuable feature (specially if you are paying per minute
or per kilobyte).

  "Serious" companies don't adhere to any "courtesy" principles when
distributing videos. They freely use proprietary closed formats
(which often can be played only with proprietary software available
only for a few systems unless you want to try some third-party hacks)
such as .rm, .wmv and .mov, completely disregarding people who can't
view those formats (or don't want to because they hate the players).

  (I think that from those I can watch wmv files in this sparc/solaris
system, but certainly not thanks to microsoft. The others are hopeless,
I think.)

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Warp wrote:

>   (I think that from those I can watch wmv files in this sparc/solaris
> system, but certainly not thanks to microsoft. The others are hopeless,
> I think.)
> 

Doubt that. MPlayer plays at least some the rm's and mov's on Linux, so 
I'd guess it'll do it on Solaris also.

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Okay here's the flipside: what's the best HTML (or other web page syntax) 
means for distributing a video?

While I'm adamant about MPG-1 being best for viewability, I've made 
assumptions about MPG-1 delivery  that have not been universally viewable.

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Greg M. Johnson <gregj;-)565### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> Okay here's the flipside: what's the best HTML (or other web page syntax) 
> means for distributing a video?

  Just put a link to the video file?

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I assume Greg means which format will work with the most people when 
they click on the link to the video file.  In which case I think 
animated GIF would be the most universal.... although this might not be 
what you had in mind!  I'd suggest pick a few different encoding types, 
and put multiple links on your page, let the viewer decide.  This seems 
to be what a lot of commercial sites do now anyway, with a link to a 
Real Video encoded file, and another link to windows media compatible 
file.  Not that I'm a fan of either of those.

Peter D.

Warp wrote:

> Greg M. Johnson <gregj;-)565### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> 
>>Okay here's the flipside: what's the best HTML (or other web page syntax) 
>>means for distributing a video?
> 
> 
>   Just put a link to the video file?
>

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Peter Duthie <pd_### [at] warlordsofbeercom> wrote:
> This seems 
> to be what a lot of commercial sites do now anyway, with a link to a 
> Real Video encoded file, and another link to windows media compatible 
> file.  Not that I'm a fan of either of those.

  I don't recommend using those either. They are proprietary closed
formats which you usually can't play with any given free player (unless
support has been hacked "illegally" in it) and the players they provide
(for only a few platforms, of course) usually suck big time. Also their
size/quality ratio is much worse than eg. with XviD. (Another one I do
not recommend is quicktime .mov for the same reasons.)

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How to convert the file *.avi to the file *.mpeg??? Can you show me some
link to download ?

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scorpmetal <sco### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> How to convert the file *.avi to the file *.mpeg???

  Why would you want to?

  Anyways, I believe tmpgenc can do that (try google).

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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Peter Duthie <pd_### [at] warlordsofbeercom> wrote:
> > This seems
> > to be what a lot of commercial sites do now anyway, with a link to a
> > Real Video encoded file, and another link to windows media compatible
> > file.  Not that I'm a fan of either of those.
>
>   I don't recommend using those either. They are proprietary closed
> formats (...)

It's not the best bet for compatibility(yet), but the ogg theora format is
at least very open (full published specs and reference codecs). it's a very
simple format (someone is even making an FPGA implementation),
and it should be able outperform divx/xvid.
And before anyone will install a player that supports this format,
someone will have to publish there movies in this new format :-)
Today's hardware is capable of rendering a large number of frames at DVD
resolution, so publishing in mpeg1 seems a bit of a waste of
storage/bandwidth.

(see also my theora HOWTO post in
POV-Ray:Newsgroups:povray.binaries.utilities)

jaap.

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